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What patriarchate?

What type of Orthodox is this? Eastern or Oriental? More specifically, under what patriarchate? - Jmabel ! talk 01:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Orthodox to the narrow sense means what you call Eastern Orthodox. It does not need to be specified.

Orthodox to a broader sense can be used for any religious movement which claims a literal reading of Scripture, such as Copt Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox or even suna Islam.

This means that there is no larger "Orthodoxy" body of which "Eastern" Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Jewish Orthodox would be subsets. To put it differently, it is correct to say that Oriental Orthodox are not Orthodox.

In the current case, Orthodox in Syria would call themselves "Greek Orthodox" if anything else, speak arabic (rarely amharic) and belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church. I do not know the particular church pictured here though. Place Clichy 13:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Obviously, "Orthodox Jewish" is unrelated. But, yes, I've been trying to disentangle Eastern Orthodox from Oriental Orthodox in our categories, because many categories here lumped the two. Quite a few picture descriptions -- so many that I've largely given up on this disentangling -- are so vague on this that I've largely given up any hope of completing that effort. - Jmabel ! talk 15:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

In many cases it is not so entangled. "Orthodox" is not an ambiguous term that can mean either "Oriental Orthodox" or "Eastern Orthodox": used alone it will always mean what you call "Eastern Orthodox". That is, except when it is used by one of those other Churches when they speak about themselves (even the Catholic Church does that). Personnally I prefer to call them just "Orthodox".

That means the only things that really need to be disentangled is Oriental Orthodox inside "Orthodox" categories. Like I said, you can remember that Oriental Orthodox are not Orthodox. Place Clichy 16:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't disagree about the proper meaning of the word; I just think we end up with a lot of photographers who don't know the difference, and if our categories say "Eastern Orthodox" rather than "Oriental Orthodox" people are less likely to make mistakes. - Jmabel ! talk 00:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)