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Pegs[编辑]

I think, the image is wrong. There are not all the currencies pgged to euro /Danmark and I think others too/. --Nolanus ✉ (C | E) 01:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[回复]

The Danish krone floats within a 2.25% band. See en:European Exchange Rate Mechanism. --Chochopk 03:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[回复]
Cyprus and Slovakia is wrong too.--87.168.92.178 14:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[回复]
No they are not. They still floats against euro. --Chochopk 19:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[回复]
The en:Bolivian boliviano is closely pegged to USD since 2008 — 以上未签名的留言是由该用户加入的： Caeschfloh (留言 • 贡献) 02:23, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[回复]

edit by Ssolbergj[编辑]

Ssolbergj, please revert to the last version at your own! This file is about the US dollar and the euro in the world, the legend says it all: dark blue forcountries which adopted the euro as legal tender. Cyprus and Malta did not adopt the euro as book currency and legal tender. Cyprus and Malta will adopt the euro as book currency and legal tender as of January 1, 2008. Countries with currencies pegged to the euro are in the lighter shade of blue. Nerd says: Cyprus will adopt the euro one hour before Malta. <cynism>You can make a living of that by editing and uploading the file two times on New Year's Eve'.</cynism> If you like the euro so much, adopt it in a country of your choice. Best, 80.137.244.197 17:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC) 18:13, 21. Nov. 2007 (CET)[回复]

Done. Jka 13:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[回复]

Chochopk's edit of 2007-12-26[编辑]

Hello Chochopk, on 2007-12-26, you changed the color of Greenland, Slovakia and the Faroe Islands in the map to gray, thus removed their status of pegging the Euro. You additionally changed the status of Denmark. All is wrong: Denmark (and its autonomous regions Greenland and Faroe Islands) pegs to the Euro extremely tightly. Slovakia pegs to the Euro in the same band as Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Malta (adopts Euro in New Year) and Cyprus (adopts Euro in New Year), this is ±15%. Danmark pegs to the Euro in a band of ±2.25%. All this is done because of treaties (see http://www.ecb.int/ecb/legal/107663/1350/html/index.en.html ) on a legal base and not voluntarily. I will revert to the version of 2007-12-11. Best, Jka 10:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[回复]

I totally understand that Denmark and Slovakia are in ERM2. The reason I remove the light blue color from Slovakia, Greenland, Slovakia, and Faroe Islands is because DKK and SKK still float against the euro. You are right about the tight band. But I would mark a region light blue only if its currency doesn't float at all, i.e. the band is effectively 0%. According to this and links on that page, the exchange rates of CYP, MTL, EEK, LTL (Lithuanian) against the euro are flat lines. On the other hand, the exchange rates of SKK, DKK, and LVL are not flat. That is my reason. I just found out that LVL still floats against the euro today. So I planned to update that as well when I upload a new version on 1/1/2008. If a narrow band is to be included as well, then Kuwait and Hong Kong (and possibly more) should be labeled with light green. Please let me know what you think. --Chochopk 13:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[回复]
Hi, if you boil it down on the term 'peg' you are right. But if you look at, let's say Maldivian Rufiyaa, I guess you'll see a far bigger float than that to Danish Krona, so you could remove some of the light green areas as well as you removed the light blue ones. Eritrean Nakfa is not convertible. And so on. The focus should be on economic predictability. You have that with all ERM2 countries. Jka 17:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[回复]
Every time I check Maldives Monetary Authority's web page, the rate remains constant. So does xe.com. I can't seem to find Bank of Eritrea's website, but xe.com always say 15. I'm not sure what you mean that nakfa is not convertible. If a tourist is to visit Eritrea, does he/she have to earn nakfa with labor, or he/she can simply trade in USD, euro, or other major currencies? I agree that ERM2 has a great implication on economic predictability. But economic predictability is a rather subjective matter. On a map with 4 colors, I think we should use hard numbers, something that can be verified easily. --Chochopk 03:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[回复]
Tourist to Eritrea?! Sounds like “an interesting idea” – at least for members of the Traveller’s Century Club. Regarding X rates, http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxhistory tells a different story on the past years. When I see the last edit of Ssolbergj, which puts Switzerland into the Euro zone, I loose confidence and passion ... - Best, Jka 17:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

Eritrea Tourism[编辑]

Don't work as a tourist, unless you want to get arrested! NRN – Jka 17:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

The DKK is pegged to the euro[编辑]

Yes, your data and references are not wrong. I can understand your rationale of marking Denmark light blue. Denmark has a strong economic tie with the Eurozone, perhaps more so than that of Hong Kong and the U.S.. I am an engineer, I look at numbers. Number (or whether or not a line is flat) is the easiest thing to verify. Isn't "verifiability" an important policy of Wikipedia? And a flat line is the basic definition of a currency being pegged. If you really want to fill Denmark with some colour, I think a reasonable compromise is a even lighter blue, which will be the colour of Latvia as well. And by symmetry, Kuwait and Hong Kong (and possible more) will be marked as light light green. --Chochopk 14:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
The question is obviously what a "pegged currency" is. "Can currencies that are officially fixed to another currency, but have ±2,5%, be described as being 'pegged'?" The Danish krone article on English Wikipedia says it is. If you search the web, the most dominant perception is that the DKK is pegged to the euro. Ergo, Wikipedia should reflect that, unless some totally credible source on the internet gives a solid definition of what can be defined as a pegged currency, and does directly exlude 'semi-floating' examples. - Ssolbergj 00:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
The National Bank of Denmark says that "the Danish krone is pegged closely to the euro in ERM II, the EU's exchange rate mechanism." - Ssolbergj 00:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
As I have said, I have no problem marking Denmark, Slovakia, and Latvia something other than grey. All I'm asking is to make a distinction between "flat peg" and "narrow band peg" (using your definition). Is that so wrong? And please, apply the same rule worldwide. I have repeated said that Kuwait, Hong Kong, and Macau have their currencies float in a narrow band against the USD. --Chochopk 13:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
How about not differentiating totally pegged currencies from pegged currencies with a narrow band? That requires fewer legends. - Ssolbergj 13:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

I sincerely believe that this is an important distinction. I can bear the burden of updating legends, on en and zh Wikipedia. --Chochopk 15:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

Ok, but lets make a list here of which currencies have a narrow band, and find out which colours we should use. Light green -and blue aren't easy to differentiate from gray, so we maybe we should use a totally different tone for semi-pegged currencies.- Ssolbergj 22:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
Here are the existing colors
RGB decimal RGB hex HSB
Euro 19 66 206 1342CE 255 91 81
Original euro 00 00 255 0000FF 240 100 100
pegged euro 85 153 255 5599FF 216 67 100
suggested narrow band 171 205 255 ABCDFF 216 33 100
USD 00 128 00 008000 120 100 50
pegged USD 153 255 85 99FF55 96 67 100
suggested narrow band 205 255 171 CDFFAB 96 33 100
others 185 185 185 B9B9B9 xx 0 73
To my knowledge, the Kuwaiti dinar is not pegged to the USD in a narrow band, but a basket instead. I apologize for my previous claim. The renminbi is also pegged to a basket. The Hong Kong dollar is pegged at US$ = HK$7.75–7.85. And the Macanese pataca is pegged to the HKD at HKD = MOP$1.03. So
  • Pegged to euro in a narrow band
    • DKK
    • Latvian lats
    • SKK
  • Pegged to USD in a narrow band
    • HKD
    • MOP (both need circles)
--Chochopk 14:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
Nice set of colours, but I think the narrow band blue is way too close to the grey. Here's a new proposal; the tones for the euro and the dollar are equivalent. Ssolbergj 21:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
RGB hex
Eurozone, the originator in control 092D98
External euro adaptors 1241CE
Currencies pegged to the euro 5D7DDB
pegged to the euro /w narrow band 7E9EFB
United States, the originator in control 279809
External adaptors of the US dollar 28CE12
currencies pegged to the US dollar 72DB5D
pegged to the US dollar /w narrow band 8DFB7E
other B9B9B9
I feel it would be natural and important to differentiate the originators who are 'in control' of the currencies, from external drone adaptors. That would also remove the need for the ugly lines. - Ssolbergj 22:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
4 steps of gradient? I fear that they will be difficult to differentiate among themselves. What about introducing 2 new hues? --Chochopk 09:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
I thought that too, but now I've inserted the colours (different gradients of the same colour) into the map, and I think it works. I had a new idea for the narrow band. I'm uploading it now. (anything is better than the current version with the lines) Revert it if you think it doesn't work. We're still discussing it here.
Isn't the Hungarian forint pegged to the euro?- Ssolbergj 17:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

Pardon my late reply. I forgot to check back. Thanks for taking up the work. I hate to say that the strip isn't very visible even at full resolution except in Greenland. The strip is also very hard to see in HK and Macau. What about something like violet, magenta, or red? I have no problem with Hungary marked as "pegged with band", given this source --Chochopk 21:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

edit by Ssolbergj, 2008-01-02[编辑]

Ssolbergj, you re-introduced an outdated map! As far as I can see, you erroneously killed a gray circle and you removed the borders between some EU countries. Per definitionem, this item is a: “Map of countries using the US dollar, the euro, or a currency pegged to one of them.” The so-called Eurozone is no country, no super-state, neither is the EU. Interesting move, but maybe too enthusiastic. Please clean this up, or revert and start a branch. If you change colors, all legends of all pages of all wikis must be changed, too … Jka 20:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

I've reinserted the gray circle. That was a mistake. The Eurozone is officially an entity of EU members that have rightfully adopted the euro and are economically under control by the European Central bank. (ECB) It's an official term, nobody is saying that it is a country, just because it has no borders. To draw it as a single entity makes it also easier to differentiate between "the origial and rightful" users of the euro, (The ECB has discouraged Iceland and Kosovo from adopting the currency) and external countries like Kosovo, that unilatteraly have adopted it. I've written the description more accurately. I've added new blue circles for the Vatican and San Marino etc. because they are not a part of the Eurozone which is only for EU-members.
The slight change of the blue colour (now it's a less painful nuance) is not very visible. People will understand the legends. - Ssolbergj 22:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
Hi, Ssolbergj. Do you have a source for the “Eurozone” being an official entity? What do you mean: EU members under control by the European Central Bank? There is Maastricht, there are statistics, there are (possible) sanctions, but no control. The ECB uses the term euro area when talking very freely and loosely. Otherwise nothing special is used there, only “Euro” and “(third stage of the) EMU”. The “Eurozone” has no borders? You simply cannot draw it as a single entity by creating one path (even when omitting smaller islands): Ireland, Finland, Greece (Malta, Cyprus) will stay outside. The circles are not used to differentiate anything, but to let small countries show up. (This also is common, e.g. with UN maps.) Otherwise, a different option is needed. I don't think the ECB has to “discourage” Iceland and Kosovo from adopting, there simply are no treaties.
You don't care how the map integrates into the articles of the wikis? – Jka 13:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
It's in fact called a zone. The word "Eurozone" isn't written in a treaty, but the Eurpean Central Bank is responsible for the monetary policy of only the Eurozone, not Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Montenegro and Kosovo. I don't see why this map has to be fixed on nation-states in the instance of the Eurozone.
The lack of borders, and the lines I've now drawn between Malta etc. and the the main, continental part of the Eurozone, differentiates countries that unliatteraly have adopted the euro. - Ssolbergj 14:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
Hi, Ssolbergj, yes, you can say that the monitary policy of the 4 microstates and the 2 balkans countries is simple. It comes out that they have none and are not represented in neither the Eurosystem nor the ECB. The circles are not used to differentiate anything, but to let small countries show up. The lines are so ugly! Azores, Madeira and Canaries totally vanish now (but may not get a circle). Why do you want to create a special instance with Eurosystem countries? – Jka 17:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]
Hi, Jka, the circles do differentiate the border- and circleless Eurozone entity from other countries. If there was a small US island alongside the coast of the United States (a sigle entity), it wouldn't be a circle. If the island was a totally different country, it would be a circle. Ergo, if the Eurozone is a single entity; Malta (a part of the Eurozone) wouldn't be a circle. If the the Eurozone is displayed as individual countries, Malta would be a circle. If the Vatican had been a part of the Eurozone, it wouldn't be a circle like it is now.
The lines could be improved, but the Canaries aren't beneath them. (?) - Ssolbergj 23:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

Hi Ssolbergj, I tried to express that the lines are not only ugly, but are graphically too important, too pithy (→ de:Prägnanz; Prägnanzgesetz, no English lemma; Gestalt-Psychologie), too imposing. You still haven’t convinced me about the zone. If you are from Europe, you may know the included countries, if you are from Latin America or China you most probably don’t (nobody cares about the Euro in Costa Rica. It's just “an interesting idea”). This map may not be a “commemorative map” or to celebrate the Euro! I read you are in the WikiProject European Union and support the European Union. Fine, but no reason, e.g., to put Malta an Cyprus on the euro list 21 November, 2007. <jocular>I feel Norway and Ukraine will adopt the Euro shortly, how about pouring blue into the whole area from Knivskjellodden till Tunisia, from Morocco till the Urals?</jocular> Witz, but solemn. – Jka 11:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

edit by Ssolbergj, 2008-01-06[编辑]

Hi Ssolbergj, without connecting lines, this map is far better. Orange looks like grey, ok, Faroes are funny? You introduced circles for Ceuta and Melilla, they are no dependencies (like France has DOM/TOM/COM), but part of Spain like Majorca, Ibiza and the like (they are autonomous, but every part of Spain is). The circles for Macau and Hong Kong are fine. Regarding the Forint (interesting there), I found this paper [1] at the MNB, see pp. 54, 87, someone has to analyze this. In any case, the wikipedias may not say ERM2 in the legends for the free peg w/ band color signature. The status of Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands and Guam have to be checked, too, the Classification of current U.S. territories may be of help. I am still strongly opposed to a homogenous eurozone in this world map used by wikipedias around the world. – Jka 21:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[回复]

Belarusian Ruble seems to be pegged to a Basket of Currencies including Euro, Russian Ruble and US dollar[编辑]

According to the official website of the National Bank of Belarus it seems that Belarus operates a peg to a currency basket as opposed to any one currency. See: http://www.nbrb.by/engl/statistics/Rates/CurrBasket/ . In that case the image would need correcting by either taking Belarus out or showing it in a colour that indicated a basket peg to Euro, US dollar and another currency.72.27.83.166 23:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[回复]

Morocco[编辑]

Is the en:Moroccan dirham a currencies pegged to the euro? (See discussion on German user page.) --Kolja21 (talk) 05:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[回复]

It seems that the dirham case is quite similar to that of the Belarussian (or even the Russian) ruble, which are all pegged to a currency basket. In the dirham case, this basket consists of 80% euro and 20% dollar; for the Russian ruble, it's 45% euro and 55% dollar. So there could be a new colour for "currencies pegged to a basket", or they should just be in the same light grey as the currencies not pegged to euro or dollar.--El Duende (talk) 08:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[回复]

Bosnia and Herzegovina[编辑]

w:Bosnia and Herzegovina convertible mark is pegged to the euro. --208.80.119.68 01:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[回复]

Bosnia and Herzegovina is already marked in violet. -- JCIV (talk) 09:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[回复]

China[编辑]

The Renminbi is pegged to the US dollar within a narrow band.

St Barthelémy[编辑]

St Barthelémy (french antilles) uses Euro. It must be in light blue

St Martin (French part)[编辑]

St Martin (french antilles) uses Euro. It must be in dark blue. Nevertheless the south of the island must be stay in white.

Kazakhstani tenge[编辑]

The Kazakhstani tenge is pegged to both the Russian ruble and the US dollar, if anyone is doing anything with this picture. --Mátyás (talk) 10:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[回复]

Cuba[编辑]

The convertible peso is pegged to the US-Dollar (see w:Cuban_convertible_peso#The_CUC_and_the_U.S._dollar). --MB-one (留言) 07:58, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[回复]

Cambodia etc.[编辑]

The en:Cambodian riel is basically used as a replacement for cents. US dollar notes are used ubiquitously in Cambodia. I guess it’s the same situation as in several other developing countries, especially if also a major tourist destination. Shouldn’t currencies like these be included in the map? — Christoph Päper 20:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[回复]

Macao/Hong Kong[编辑]

...are both exactly fixed to the US dollar. --Redeemer (留言) 21:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[回复]

Zimbabwe[编辑]

The US Dollar is an official currency in Zimbabwe. Shouldn't the map reflect this? Abductive (留言) 19:00, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[回复]

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