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Greenland

Hi, Greenland is to be excluded. Thanks, --Gvnn (talk) 20:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Bosnia should also be coloured orange

Bosnia is also an applicant country like Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova. Please fix the map by colouring Bosnia orange too thanks. UltraBlazer (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Here is stated that It remains a potential candidate country until it can successfully answer all of the questions on the European Commission's questionnaire sheet, so not sure about that. --Gvnn (talk) 08:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Bosnia-Hercegovina is an applicant country, but I have adjusted the caption now. --Glentamara (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Greenland & Faroe Islands

I am wondering if I should edit the map to state that Greenland and the Faroe Islands were former members. Technically, they were members of the European Communities and then left so I do not know if I should update the map or not. Fluffy89502 ~ talk 00:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I think we should actually remove the United Kingdom. This map is about future not past enlargement. Former members shouldn’t be included in my opinion. Brainiac242 (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The Faroe Islands have never been part of the EU or its predecessors. Greenland was part of the EC, but it's not a "Former EU member state" as the legend reads currently. --Nablicus (talk) 10:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The legend can be edited. The question is whether countries that used to be part of the European Union (or its predecessors) should be coloured in a map about future enlargement. If the answer is yes, I think Greenland should be coloured (and so should Algeria). But I think the answer is no. Brainiac242 (talk) 05:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion seems to be over, so I’m removing it. Brainiac242 (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Moldova & Ukraine - "candidate negotiating" vs. "candidate

I feel like this needs a discussion, as the current situation seems untenable.

There could be three definitions of what "negotiating" means. We just have to stick to one.

1) council decides to open negotiations (Albania, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Serbia fulfill this criterion): this is how it was handled thus far.

2) screening starts (Albania, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Serbia fulfill this criterion): argument could be made that only when screening starts negotiations have actually started.

3) first chapter is opened (Montenegro and Serbia fulfill this criterion)

Right now, after @Danlaycock reverted the map, the map is following definition 2). Are we in favor of that? Is the start of screening the start of negotiations? Xolani (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

European Council approval to open negotations is a necesairy, but not sufficient, condition for negotations to be opened.

Per the EU's timeline, "Accession negotiations formally start once Member States agree on the negotiating framework": [1]

Given that the EU imposed a number of conditions that need to be met by the candidates before the negotiating framework can be adopted (which will be reassessed in March) [2], I don't think it is reasonable to conclude that negotiations have already started. TDL (talk) 04:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly! No, negotiations have started just because the European Council (not the Council!) decides to open negotiations. --Nablicus (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. Does the screening process start right away after negotiating framework is adopted? Doesn't seem to be the case, according to this:

"In July 2020 the draft negotiating framework was presented to the Member States. In July 2022, the Intergovernmental Conference on accession negotiations was held with North Macedonia. The Commission started the screening process." Xolani (talk) 11:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

The commission presented the draft negotiation framework for North Macedonia in 2020, but it was not approved until 2022: [3][4]. TDL (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

One possible idea is to use the EU as source and update the map when they update the state of a candidate country. According to this [5] negotiations are not opened yet. Hetsre (talk) 21:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, so to further complicate things, screening - according to Zelensky himself - has started. Which, if I understand the process correctly, usually only happens after the negotiating framework has been adopted. So do we change to "negotiating" now? Or wait for the negotiating framework? One could argue that screening is already part of the negotiation process, no? Xolani (talk) 22:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Based on the article that you refer to, it seems like he is referring to the European Commission starting to evaluate Ukrainian legislation. That is still no negotiation, but an internal process of the Commission. Furthermore, he states in the article: "I expect full engagement of the Ukrainian government team and for the first intergovernmental conference to be held this spring." When the first intergovernmental conference, i.e., negotiations between the EU and Ukraina, is held - that's when the negotiations have started. --Nablicus (talk) 08:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

A new piece of information from the Commission: "Once the Council has adopted the negotiating frameworks, the rotating Presidency of the Council of the European Union will present the agreed-upon EU Common Position in the first inter-governmental conference with each country, marking the formal start of the accession negotiations." [6] So, some steps are still required before negotiations could formally start. Hetsre (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Moldova and Ukraine are negotiating this month (March 2024)

To the folks who are stating that the negotiations haven’t started until March 2024, well they must be negotiating by now… Maximations (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a source to support that they have started? If not, then we can't claim that they have, just because they planned to start in March. TDL (talk) 03:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

A new piece of information from the Commission: "Once the Council has adopted the negotiating frameworks, the rotating Presidency of the Council of the European Union will present the agreed-upon EU Common Position in the first inter-governmental conference with each country, marking the formal start of the accession negotiations." [7] So, some steps are still required before negotiations could formally start. Hetsre (talk) 13:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina offically is negotiating

Bosnia and Herzegovina officially has negotiation status: Source1, Source2, Source3 and Source4. Z1KA (talk) 20:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The situation is exactly the same as for Ukraine and Moldova. No negotiations have actually started. It is just a decision that the European Council has made about that EU is ready to start negotiations. --Nablicus (talk) 23:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)