File talk:Flag of Venezuela (1836–1859).svg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Flag of Venezuela 1930-2006.svg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 18:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Michelet-密是力-Me laisser un message 18:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

It's marked as public domain (a "copyright tag"), so it doesn't matter who created it - you'd have to have some evidence of it not being public domain to do something about it. One of the reasons for putting something into the public domain is so people don't have to bother with attribution.

That said, this file is attributed (even though it doesn't need to be), you had but to read the page to see it:

From [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/06/20060222195337%21Flag_of_Venezuela.svg  Flag of Venezuela.svg]

Please do your job a little better. I'm sorry if that reads as snotty, but I can't think of a nicer way to put it. People have put time and effort into this legitimate upload for the betterment of all the wikis, the least you can do is read.

¦ Reisio 03:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, your reactions are comprehensible, but there is still a problem:

• Even for "public domain" material, a source is needed. Either the picture was made by you (and it is specifically a PD-Self), or it was made by someone else, who owns the rights, and who has to confirm that it is PD. Coat of Arms and flags are not PD by themeselves: the definition is, but not the realisation, when there is artistic creativity in its drawing. (NB: be it not for the coat of arms, the flag itself would be PD-ineligible, OK).
• I saw the source, indeed, but where did the archived flag came from in the first place? This source is useless as long as copyright status is concerned.
• The warning is a standard subst: model, I am not responsible for the wording. People put time and effort to insure Commons and the wikis stay legal, you may want to respect that job as well.

Michelet-密是力-Me laisser un message 05:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright status isn't concerned - it's public domain - copyright is waived, as stated even in the template. I know some of you guys are gung-ho about licensing, but you can't make public domain something it isn't - it is not a license that requires attribution, or a license at all. You can trace the origin of the image via the history on the Image:Flag of Venezuela.svg page, if you're interested. ¦ Reisio 06:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

This is what the PD-Flag model recals:

Representations of national flags are subject to copyright as original works of art and do not fall under Bridgeman Art Library Ltd. v. Corel Corporation's purview as they are not representations of two-dimensional works of art.

... and the archive picture has no history nor copyright tag: its origin is unclear. Now, if YOU created the flag, just say so and state that YOU wave the rights, otherwise you can't wave rights that you don't own. Michelet-密是力-Me laisser un message 06:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

You set it to the PD-Flag template, so I'm not sure what relevance it has to the state of the file before you started playing with it; but even that template mentions copyright ineligibility.

There are no rights - it's in the public domain. I can't waive rights that don't exist, just like you can't attribute rights that don't exist.

If you look at the Image:Flag of Venezuela.svg page, its origins are clear.

¦ Reisio 07:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The venezelian flag has no coat on arm on it, and this is the problem: who drew it, where does it come from? OK, I understand that you are not the author of the picture, and that you can't identify its author, so that the file has to be deleted for copyright violation. Michelet-密是力-Me laisser un message 07:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That information can be found just where I said it can be. ¦ Reisio 00:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Aparently, the CoA comes from http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/venezuela.htm, which is not a free site, so the corresponding copyrights must be respected. Michelet-密是力-Me laisser un message 07:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

No, that is not correct. If you can't understand the language involved, then you should probably leave it to someone else. ¦ Reisio 00:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)