File talk:Flag of the United Kingdom (3-5).svg

Ratio

I propose that the 3:5 ratio be used as the default ratio. The Flag Institute, which claims to be quasi-official, says that the 1:2 version is the one used at sea, in ensigns, etc., but that the 3:5 version is usual on land. Is Wikipedia on land or on the sea? The standard flags of England, Scotland, etc. are typically 3:5, and the union flag is 3:5 whenever flown next to any other 3:5 ratio flag. The 1:2 file is used in numerous little boxes which renders the saltires very hard to see in a stretched 1:2 version. A strange meme has arisen which claims "only" the British Army uses the 3:5, which presumably is a misunderstanding of the idea that 1:2 is used at sea (i.e. by the Royal Navy) and the 3:5 on land (and therefore by the army and everyone else not afloat). Moreover, the regimental colours of the army are nothing like 3:5, more like 4:5, and they use the proper heraldic version with narrow fimbriations on the horizontal cross. In all, the 3:5 version appears to be the proper one for most uses, with the 1:2 one used for nautical purposes (the wind is stronger and can support a longer flag). I think this file should be renamed to "Flag of the United Kingdom.svg" and the file Flag of the United Kingdom.svg modified accordingly.

• Full protocols from the Flag Institute: "The normal proportions for the national flags of the United Kingdom are 3:5 on land, but ensigns are customarily made in proportion 1:2."
• Specification from the Flag Institute and failed parliamentary motion on standardization

GPinkerton (留言) 12:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I suggest fixing this graphic to use the 5:3 ratio, but save a copy of this graphic beforehand with a name of "Flag of the United Kingdom (2-1, as used at sea).svg" or something similar. --Zapyon (留言) 16:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Zapyon I think (I haven't measured but assume: if it doesn't meet the specifications that should be changed as well!) that this file already has a 5:3/3:5 ratio; my suggestion is effectively to swap the files around so that "File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg" produces a 3:5 flag rather than (as presently) a 1:2 flag. This file name ("Flag of the United Kingdom (3-5).svg") would be left as a redirect to "File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg", and a "File:Flag of the United Kingdom (1-2).svg" would be the home of the 1:2 version. GPinkerton (留言) 20:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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Zapyon, Χ, AnonMoos, Great Brightstar I have now measured the flag in this file and it is incorrectly proportioned. The white and red saltires are not of even width (with one another). Putting two copies of the flag side by side shows that the diagonal lines are not all parallel with one another, and the arms of the saltires are at different angles to one another. This is a big error. Could this be corrected please? GPinkerton (留言) 20:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 完成 I think this image should be correctly proportioned now. -- Great Brightstar (留言) 08:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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I would support using this variant as the default ratio for the flag and changing the file name to "Flag of the United Kingdom.svg", with the 1:2 variant moved to "Flag of the United Kingdom (1-2).svg CorwenAv (留言) 22:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@CorwenAv, Great Brightstar, Zapyon, AnonMoos, and Χ: I suggest taking this up at File talk:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg#Ratio where I add a new comment on these lines. GPinkerton (留言) 05:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Rename

There is a debate already in progress in regarding the name of the file. Please dicuss this at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg

SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (留言) 21:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)