File talk:Forms of government.svg

Kyrgyzistan

Just so you know, folloing the [1], it is very likely that Kyrgyzistan will switch from parliamentary to Presidential this year. --Aréat (留言) 20:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Somaliland

Hi this map used to always include Somaliland which has a presidential system. Its was first incorrectly change in the map to a parliamentary system and has now been removed. Could somebody add it back? I would if I could. Thank you Subayerboombastic (留言) 13:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Russia

Also Russia has now a presidential system. TheGlobetrotter (留言)

• De facto Russia is superpresidential system, but this map depicts de jure situation. De jure Russia is still president-parliamentary (semi-presidential) republic. Firstly, the president in Russia de jure isn’t a head of executive branch of power, but the prime minister is. Secondly, president’s choice of prime minister must be approved by the parliament, so it makes the government responsible both to the president and the parliament. Thirdly, and this is the most important, the Russian parliament has a right of vote of no confidence to the government. Thus, this all makes Russia de jure semi-presidential republic. — Nikita Stroilov (留言)

Belarus, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan de jure are not fully presidential republics

They are de jure semi-presidential systems. Both Belarus and Kazakhstan have presidents, which are NOT listed in their constitutions as heads of the executive branch of power. In fact, belarussian and kazakh heads of government, styled as prime ministers, are listed as heads of the executive branch. I suppose that Belarus and Kazakhstan are de jure president-parliamentary systems, like Russia and Azerbaijan, because the president both in Belarus (article 84.6 of the constitution) and Kazakhstan (article 44.3 of the constitution) chooses the prime minister and the cabinet without the confidence vote from the parliament, but must have the support of the parliament majority for their choice. In order to remove a prime minister or the whole cabinet from power, the president can dismiss them or the assembly can remove them by a vote of no confidence. And de jure existing parliamentary vote of no confidence to the government is very important to identify Belarus and Kazakhstan as president-parliamentary systems (semi-presidential systems). This vote of no confidence does exist in Belarus (article 97.7 of the constitution) and Kazakhstan (article 56.2 of the constitution), even if only de jure.

The President of Uzbekistan in its constitution does NOT figure as a head of government and executive branch (article 89 of the constitution). Executive power in Uzbekistan is exercised by the Cabinet of Ministers, which is headed by Prime Minister (article 98), which makes only him de jure the head of executive branch. Moreover, the president in Uzbekistan chooses the prime minister and the cabinet without the confidence vote from the parliament, but must have the support of the parliament majority for their choice (article 93.10 of the constitution). In order to remove a prime minister or the whole cabinet from power, the president can dismiss them or the assembly can remove them by a vote of no confidence. And the parliament’s right of vote of no confidence to the government DOES EXIST in Uzbekistan’s constitution (article 98). Thus, it all makes Uzbekistan de jure president-parliamentary system (semi-presidential republic), not fully presidential. — Nikita Stroilov (留言)

Guiana

Hello! Guiana in South America is wrong color on the map. It’s not a directly elected Presidential Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 5.55.181.16 (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Poland

Good afternoon.

I was wondering whether a user can shade Poland to orange; per (Poland 1997 (rev. 2009) - https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Poland_2009?lang=en at www.constituteproject.org and The World Factbook at https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/poland/#government), the country's government system is a parliamentary with a directly elected president by a majority. According to the Constitution, Poland is a de jure parliamentary republic. As outlined by the legend, this chart aims to represent de jure form of government, not de facto. I don't know how this mistake has been cultivated for so long. Warmest regards. Merangs (留言) 05:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Is this superseded or not?

Chubit or anyone. There is a note that this is superceded but it has been modified more recently than the other map. So which should we use? Chidgk1 (留言) 09:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I think File:Forms_of_government_2019.svg and File:Forms_of_government_2021.svg history should be merged under old name File:Forms_of_government.svg and 2019 talk probably properly archived.

File:Forms_of_government_map.svg should not be used in my opinion for the reasons you have mentioned. -- Svito3 (留言) 11:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

"Forms of government map" has the Falklands on correctly as part of the British monarchy (not that I'm a fan of them, but it would be accurate), while this one does not. GreenReaper (留言) 16:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct Austria/ Corriger l'Autriche/ Österreich korrigieren

EN: Austria should be corrected on the map, since it is de jure a semi-presidential democracy (= a parliamentary democracy with a presidential touch). The legal position of the president is de jure comparable to the French president (and by no means comparable to the german president). De facto, these rights are not exercised, so that many people are not aware of this fact. Legally, Austria is nevertheless clearly a semi-presidential democracy! (Based on the 1929 amendment to the Constitution)

FR: L'Autriche devrait être corrigée sur la carte, car elle est de jure une démocratie semi-présidentielle. Le statut juridique du président est de jure comparable à celui du président français (et en aucun cas comparable à celui du président allemand). En realité, ces droits ne sont toutefois pas exercés, c'est la raison pour laquelle beaucoup ne sont pas conscients de cette réalité. Mais juridiquement, l'Autriche est clairement une démocratie semi-présidentielle! (Suite à l'amendement constitutionnel de 1929)

DE: Österreich müsste auf der Karte korrigiert werden, da es de jure eine semipräsidentielle Demokratie ist (= eine parlamentarische Demokratie mit präsidialem Einschlag) Die rechtliche Stellung des Präsidenten ist de jure mit dem Französischen Präsidenten vergleichbar (und keineswegs vergleich etwa mit dem deutschen Präsidenten) De facto werden diese Rechte zwar nicht wahrgenommen, wodurch diese Tatsäche vielen nicht bewusst ist. Rechtlich ist Österreich aber dennoch eindeutig eine semipräsidentielle Demokratie! (Seit der Verfassungsänderung von 1929) Bidart34 (留言) 12:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thera are no DPR and LPR

DPR and LPR are only recognized by Russia. Please undo changes. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.6.56.26 (talk) 23:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I suggest removing Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Transnistria as well. — 185.115.7.51 00:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistakes on the politucal map of Ukraine

There are shown territories, which temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation (e.g. part of Donbas and Luhansk regions) as presidential state, which is a nonsense. Barda77 (留言) 17:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Suriname and South Africa are not semi-presidential

The definition of semi-presidential republics requires that they have a prime minister and a president. South Africa and Suriname both have presidents, but no prime ministers. Their presidents are not popularly elected either, unlike in a presidential system, rather their presidents are elected by the legislature, so they should be coloured the lighter green colour (same as Botswana). Fuse809 (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

A locator color circle for Transnistria

Due to its shape, Transnistria is not really visible on the map, thus it would seem clearer to have it represented by the locator circle, just like the other microstates. BasicWriting (留言) 21:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

De-facto regimes with limited recognition

Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, etc aren't de-jure states according to UN. Should the map include them? If the map is about de-facto (as opposed to de-jure), then lots of countries fall under different categories (e.g., Russia is a single-party state, not semi-presidential). — 185.115.7.51 00:11, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Crimea

Crimea's de-jure status is that it's part Ukraine, yet if you hover on it, is says "Russia". Should this be corrected as well? — 185.115.7.51 00:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the correct color for Crimea as and occupied territory would be to color for "Countries in which constitutional provisions for government have been suspended". --GPSLeo (留言) 06:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Peru

Peru's color is wrong. 177.76.22.139 16:44, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The country is a presidential republic with a prime minster, not a semipresidential one, since the prime minster isn’t responsibile to the legislature, just like in South Korea or Senegal. 5.95.1.151 13:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

San Marino

San Marino is a ceremoniel republic, where the Captain Regents (the precidency) have ceremonial roles as heads of state; not head of government. The executive power exercices of the Congress of state (the government), that is answerable to the Great and General Council (the parliament). Can anybody correct the colour to orange? San Marino: Constitution - 1974 (rightofassembly.info) Karriuss (留言) 11:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

As this map reflects en:List of countries by system of government, any changes should first be made there. The page currently lists San Marino as a directorial republic rather than a parliamentary republic. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 22:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I have tried to change the list, but User:ICommandeth - Wikipedia always revert it, because it is not changed here. The San Marino's constitution shuld be the right thing to make both lists and maps after. Karriuss (留言) 11:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

From what I can gather at en:Talk:List of countries by system of government, your change is not being reverted because it would create a conflict between the article and map (something that would be fixed easily), but more importantly because it would conflict with what is detailed at en:San Marino. On that page, San Marino is described as a de jure assembly-independent republic with executive head(s) of state, hence its coloring in green. Essentially, the country article, list on Wikipedia, and Commons map should all be in agreement, which is not yet the case. Consider bringing up the government type to en:Talk:San Marino and resolving it there before pursuing further dispute resolution should the change then not be accepted on en:List of countries by system of government. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 23:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

He has never mentioned that page. Originally, both the San Marino article and the list was correct. So the list was wrongly edited, without any source, and the country article updated to the list. I have corrected the country article, after no answer on the talk page, and the list. No it's time to also update the map. Karriuss (留言) 11:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Iran

Iran isn’t a full presidential republic. 131.193.251.254 16:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Afghanistan is a absolute monarchy under islamic emirate,change the cataloging 95.18.140.251 11:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Syria

Is there any consensus on the system Syria uses? The Wikipedia page itself lists it as a presidential republic, but it has been listed as a semi-presidential for years on this map. Also, there is present a Prime Minister in the country. For the moment, I have corrected the map to match the designation listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria, but if that is incorrect and it's a semi-presidential republic or indeed something else, I'd recommend correcting the page and perhaps reverting the map. GlowstoneUnknown (留言) 05:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Name of this file?

Should the name of this file be changed? the "2021" part of the filename is far from being accurate anymore, would it be beneficial (alongside possible) to rename the file to "Forms_Of_Government.svg"? GlowstoneUnknown (留言) 03:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Angola

{{edit request}} I was looking at Angola's page and realised it sounded to me much more like a republic with a legislature-nominated presidency instead of a full presidential republic. The page on the most recent general election and the page on the politics of the country seem to me much more similar to Guyana, South Africa, and Botswana than to the United States or Turkey. I would update the file, but it seems to be locked for whatever reason. GlowstoneUnknown (留言) 06:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

This type of request is better suited to Talk:List of countries by system of government since the article lists Angola as a presidential republic. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 11:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

@GlowstoneUnknown @Clyde H. Mapping @ICommandeth @Lukt64

• DNR, LNR and Crimea are all occupied by Russia Ukrainian territories. DNR and LNR since 20th of September 2022 don't exist even according to Russia, Russia annexed them, also it occupied and illegally annexed some part of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, but they are fully Ukrainian in the map, so Donetsk, Luhansk oblasts and Crimea also should be.
• Greenland and Faroe Islands are parts of Denmark.
• Puerto Rico is part of the US.
• New Caledonia is part of France.
• Falkland Islands are part of the UK.

UA0Volodymyr (留言) 12:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

While I do not know how to edit the map's borders in text form, I would support updating Ukraine to reflect the de facto political situation; the Donbas breakaway republics were both depicted when they were recognized by Russia but prior to annexation. Granted, Russia's control of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia is largely unstable with some claimed pieces in Ukrainian control and subject to fighting, unlike that of Crimea which has been continuously occupied for several years, so I can also see why others might oppose this inclusion. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 12:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with you. That's all just russian military occupation and annexations are illegal and not de jure. All Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts and Crimea should be Ukrainian on this map as long they're Ukrainian de jure and internationally recognized so. UA0Volodymyr (留言) 12:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Crimea is marked as its own territory on the map anyways. The map includes partially recognized states like Somaliland which have no de jure basis. You can't represent states which exist solely in practice while also ignoring de facto annexations. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 12:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Somaliland is self-proclaimed state, Crimea is occupied in the international military conflict in a result of military aggression of one country (Russia) against another one (Ukraine). UA0Volodymyr (留言) 13:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Afghanistan's current goverment type is a Semi-absolute monarchy according to official name.--94.73.55.32 15:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Tunisia

@GlowstoneUnknown Tunisia has had a presidential system since 25 July 2022, Can you change it to blue? JUVENISTA (留言) 23:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Tunisia's page lists it as semi-presidential, why do you consider it Presidential? GlowstoneUnknown (留言) 10:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The governance system on the page has been updated. You can update the image, thanks. JUVENISTA (留言) 18:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I also notice that W:List of Countries by system of government lists Tunisia as semi-presidential, are you certain that it's fully presidential? GlowstoneUnknown (留言) 23:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

IP user changed it some time back, but change is correct. Constitution of Tunisia, 2022

Article 87: The President of the Republic exercises the executive function with the assistance of a government headed by a Prime Minister.

Article 101: The President of the Republic appoints the Prime Minister, as well as other members of the Government, based on a proposal from the Prime Minister.

Article 115: [...] The President of the Republic accepts the resignation of the government presented by its president, if the blame list is ratified by a two-thirds majority of the members of both Houses combined.

To match the content of the article, which this map should please change: Tunisia -> presidential. Palestine -> provisional. Bangladesh -> provisional.

I won't change the map or related pages anymore as I give up on the topic for reasons people who follow discussions already know. -- Svito3 (留言) 01:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Article 87: The President of the Republic exercises the executive function with the assistance of a government headed by a Prime Minister.

Article 101: The President of the Republic appoints the Prime Minister, as well as other members of the Government, based on a proposal from the Prime Minister.

That's a description of a semi-presidential form of government, with an executive president acting as head of state, but not head of government. Tunisia should therefore remain semi-presidential. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 01:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Where does it say that prime minister is responsible to parliament (means it can be dismissed by parliament with a simple majority)? Supermajority classifies as extraordinary majority like W:impeachment not responsibility to parliament. -- Svito3 (留言) 02:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I see you again undone good edits without reaching consensus and breaking previous consensus. Sigh. -- Svito3 (留言) 02:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Greenland

Shouldn't greenland be red? Other dependencies are not gray, and they do have their own parliament with a cerimonial regent.Carewolf (留言) 10:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't be against it, however, I do believe it's not inconsistent with other dependencies, which dependencies do you see that aren't coloured grey? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 03:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Qatar

I checked with french and german articles on absolute and "semi-constitutional" monarchys as well as on the country itself : (except for the french one on Qatar who describes the regime without labeling (or explicite discussion about it)) they all reference Qatar as an absolute monarchy.

The entry here has been changed without specific description or explanation to constitutional by Fippe (in 2021-02-09T17:56) then to 'semi-constitutional by AKS471883 in 2021-09-07T13:38.

I noticed also two other maps : one coherent with the articles' descriptions (File:Government constitutional monarchy 2022.svg) and one (File:World Monarchies.svg), modified similarily to this one, with description, but without explanation, in 2021-12-13T04:32.

If I had understood how to change them back myself, I would have done it. So I(, sadly,) can only bring it up in the discussion (which I was, otherwise, going to do in addition). 2A01:E0A:AE4:41D0:3B72:92C3:F8F4:5B95 12:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

This is best brought to the attention of en:Talk:Qatar. On English Wikipedia, Qatar's form of government is given as a "unitary authoritarian parliamentary semi-constitutional monarchy." Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 02:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Venezuela ("Antifascist law")

A few days ago, the government of Venezuela approved a law which states in summary that for a political party to exist or be formed, it must have prior permission from the government. Banning in this way and now completely legal any party or organization opposed to the PSUV regime and therefore, being a one-party state de jure:

-https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-02/-anti-fascism-law-to-tighten-crackdown-on-venezuelan-opposition

-https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article287431415.html

The definition of a single-party system is one that has, by constitution or law, a party that is the regent of said state, even if there are other legal parties (as in China or Eritrea). In the case of Venezuela, they have been prohibiting the participation of politicians and opposition parties until finally with this law they can prohibit any party with only the request of the government (PSUV). Therefore, I would like the color to be changed from blue to brown in the case of Venezuela to reflect the situation, perhaps with a small explanation in the description of the update. ComradeHektor (留言) 22:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, a "Committee Against Fascism" will be formed separately from the National Assembly to review each case. In effect, this is a state ideology. ComradeHektor (留言) 23:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Unlike China, Venezuela's constitution makes no mention of one political party's supremacy. Controlled parliamentary opposition parties are not unique to one party states (see, for instance, Russia, which is de jure a multi-party republic). At most, editors at the Venezuela article settled on the addendum "...under a centralized authoritarian state" to reflect the de facto situation (en:Talk:Venezuela#NPOV: Is Venezuela actually functioning as a republic?). Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 06:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Nazi Germany was not one by constitution either (the constitution at that time was that of the Weimar Republic) but was de facto as a consequence of the Enabling Act. I know this may not be the best place to discuss it but I wanted to make this clear. ComradeHektor (留言) 07:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Reliable scholarship and news media describes Nazi Germany as a one party state while Venezuela hasn't been labeled as such. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 11:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Color Changes

Colors for Parliamentary republic with an executive president and Assembly-independent republic (directorial system) swapped. Reason: presidential oriented republics should be blue(ish), directorial green(ish). Adapting of the legend is now done – but the directorial system is missing in many languages. Additionally the color of the directorial system (light green) is too close to the color of military dictatorship; I would propose a (light) turqoise for directorial system or change miliitary dictatorship to some brown tone. --ProloSozz (留言) 10:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Parliamentary republic with executive presidency is from category of parliamentary republics, while assembly-indepedent republics are from category of hybrid systems, which combine features of parliamentary and presidential republics.

In both assembly-independent republics (there 3 of these: in Swiss case collective presidency, in Suriname and Micronesia a president) and a parliamentary republic with an executive president (South Africa and others) presidency is both executive and is elected by legislature. But in latter president (and their government) is accountable to legislature, that's why it's called parliamentary system. In assembly-independent republics presidency (collective or not) is term-limited like in presidential system and cannot be dismissed by legislature. That's where "assembly-independent" comes from.

Related to colors. I have made color blind friendly version at W:Template talk:Systems of government. Svito3 (留言) 02:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@ProloSozz I see you reverted the page again, but didn't respond to the talk. Svito3 (留言) 14:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I did respond on the linked template page. As said: it does not make any sense to have the same (base) color for a directorial system and a presidential republc, but not for a parliamentary republic with executive president. --ProloSozz (留言) 18:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge with File:Forms of government (color blind palette).svg?

Title, should this file be altered to use the colourblind palette? I'd propose to do so, so that the colours used are consistent across languages. Thoughts? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 03:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I support this. Clyde H. Mapping (留言) 09:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Icommandeth @TEMPO156 @Peacearth @ProloSozz pinging some recent contributors to get some opinions – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 09:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to do that – as long as there is a color systematic kept by; and in that context it would be the opportunity to review the colors as stated above (as: directorial system not same color range as military dictatorship etc.). --ProloSozz (留言) 12:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, what's your opinion on the colours that are currently being used here?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/1/19/20240816121447%21Forms_of_government_%28color_blind_palette%29.svg
(Keep in mind, this map is slightly more up-to-date than the current one). The biggest change I'd note is the semi-presidential colour being changed to a teal-cyan (simply to make it more of an in-between colour for the dark blue of Presidential and bright orange of parliamentary) but also to note: directorial/assembly-independent has become the yellow that was previously used for semi-presidential, parliamentary w/ executive president has become a shade of brown to more closely align it with the orange of its ceremonial president variant, and the addition of Iran's own "theocratic republic" system. Personally, I am fine with reverting most if not all of these if other people have objections to it, most of the changes seem to have been made unilaterally without consensus (I'm a guilty party there as well, as I attempted to fix some of the issues that the original uploader introduced unilaterally as well, admittedly however, I used personal preference to solve them rather than achieved consensus). Either way, please don't hold back any critiques you may have, as long as they're reasonable and doable within a colourblind-accessible palette. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, the current colours keep getting reverted by the original uploader, just check the versions I uploaded – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually, here

 

Full presidential republics.

 

Semi-presidential republics.

 

Parliamentary republics with an executive presidency

 

Assembly-independent republics in which the president or directory is the head of government and is elected by the legislature, but is independent of and not accountable to it.

 

Parliamentary republics.

 

Parliamentary constitutional monarchies in which the monarch does not personally exercise power (except perhaps reserve powers).

 

Dual system constitutional monarchies in which the monarch personally exercises power (often alongside a weak parliament).

 

Absolute monarchies.

 

Single-party state.

 

Countries in which constitutional provisions for government have been suspended (e.g. military juntas).

 

Countries which do not fit any of the above systems (e.g. transitional governments).

 

Dependent territories and places without governments.

there are the colours I was using, thoughts? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I still consider the "two/three system colors or color tones" as an important aspect: one of the color (or color tone) should be: "autoritarity" or "dependence of president from legislative"; there are at least three states: "presidenntial" vs. "semi-presidential" vs. "parlamentarian" (both in republican and monarchy); so a second main color (tone?) should be: monarchy vs. republic – both have above mentioned three color tones. The idea behind it is: there are two or three criteria that can vary – in any of the combinations. So the idea (colors as an example): monarchies have ground color red, republics with parliament blue; the degree of persidential power is then combined with more or less yellow/green or the tone light/dark; it should result in something like: presidential republic and non-parliamentary monarchy are dark, republic blue/monarchy red; constitutional monarchy orange and semi-presidential republic turqoise; parliamentary monarchy light orange and parliamentarian republic a light turqoise; absolute monarchy dark reddish violet (dictatorial republic (single party system etc.) could be a dark blueish violet), military dictatorship brown; directorial is a bit special, it should have some green, maybe olive etc. Maybe also possible: presidential (dark) blue, semi-presidential lighter blue; parliamentarian light turqoise; directorial (dark) turqoise; (if these are differentialbe); abs. monarchy dark violet is ok (could be more towards red), also light violet for constitiutional monarchy (could also be more towards red); the third here would be parlamentarian monarchy with some pink or rose tone. "non-democratic" should not have visible blue (republican) or red (monarchy), but yellow (single party states) and brown (military dictatorship). Btw: these colors are propositions – important is that the different tone of the colors are recognizable with the grade of difference of the governmental system – to make it easy to recognize the type. -ProloSozz (留言) 01:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it will be hard to implement your ideas and especially hard to gain consensus to implement them. Do you (or, pinging others again: @Clyde H. Mapping @ICommandeth @TEMPO156 @Peacearth) think a compromise can be reached to just use the colours shown on this revision of the colourblind-friendly map? that way the colours are largely the same as they are now on the current map, but in an accessible format. I don't know why the colours were even changed from their basic palette as they are now on this map to begin with to be honest, I might actually prefer to just use the original colourblind-friendly palette. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 13:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

 

Full presidential republics.

 

Semi-presidential republics.

 

Parliamentary republics with an executive presidency

 

Assembly-independent republics in which the president or directory is the head of government and is elected by the legislature, but is independent of and not accountable to it.

 

Parliamentary republics.

 

Parliamentary constitutional monarchies in which the monarch does not personally exercise power (except perhaps reserve powers).

 

Dual system constitutional monarchies in which the monarch personally exercises power (often alongside a weak parliament).

 

Absolute monarchies.

 

Single-party state.

 

Countries in which constitutional provisions for government have been suspended (e.g. military juntas).

 

Countries which do not fit any of the above systems (e.g. transitional governments).

 

Dependent territories and places without governments.

That would be a map with this colour palette, which would be much less jarring a change than the one to the current colourblind palette, what are people's thoughts? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 13:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Colorblind palette was introduced and discussed at Wikipedia:Template talk:Systems of government as well as color swaps. -- Svito3 (留言) 22:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I support going back to last version of the color blind palette, not the teal version. Objections? -- Svito3 (留言) 19:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I consider it as possible to have a color systematic as mentioned; please give me some time to elaborate it. Which the colors then would be has not yet to be decided (and can also be discussed). --ProloSozz (留言) 11:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

In the meantime, while you're coming up with a new set of colours to potentially use (which I will stress is not a guarantee that they will be used, as the colour changes are still subject to consensus), would you support using the colours shown in this revision, purely for accessibility reasons? – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 14:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Detailed rationalization of previously applied color blind pattern.

Government type		Republics and republican-related systems		Monarchy
Representative democratic	Pure	Presidential republic	Parliamentary republic	Constitutional monarchy
	Hybrid	Semi-presidential republic	Assembly-independent republic
Undemocratic	Pure	Military junta	Provisional government	Absolute monarchy
	Hybrid	Theocratic republic	One-party state	Semi-constitutional monarchy

References

-- Svito3 (留言) 04:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, removes information (exec presidency), One-Party state too similar to Constitutional Monarchy, groups a subjective category outside the scope of this map (undemocratic). – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 04:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It has exec presidency color below, you seem to have missed by overlooking it. I support removing it in different talk. All those systems are undemocratic in their constitution. -- Svito3 (留言) 10:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I thought that footnote was the same colour, again, it's too similar, my other complaints still stand, and "undemocratic", regardless of how "provable" it is, still isn't a category that fits within the scope of this map, this isn't a map that's meant to define degree of democracy, as the legend says at the bottom:

Note: this chart represent de jure systems of government, not the de facto degree of democracy.

– GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 10:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I was one that both added and removed that description from the source of this map, which is List article on Wikipedia (Descriptions on Commons for all systems have long been outdated and don't match ones on the List article). I have already described why on talk page of the List article: we distinguish undemocratic systems like One-party state by taking into consideration undemocratic aspect of that system - that it is constitutionally ruled by a single party. Similarly semi-constitutional monarchy and theocratic republic have some democratic elements but still are undemocratic by their constitution (as intended by their monarchs or Supreme Leader). I'm informed on that by Venice Comission opinion on Liechtenstein. Absolute monarchy, military junta, and provisional government require no comment. Representative democracy here is used in narrow constitutional sense that it is ruled by political leaders that are elected. Of course it isn't a democratic index as it says so, but it still would be misrepresentation that it doesn't distinguish constitutional governments by whether or not they are democratic. You are right that this discussion is outside scope of this article. Feel free to make any changes to the map. I have no further objections. -- Svito3 (留言) 11:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

De facto it says de facto but de facto de facto isn't read as de facto but omitted. 🙃 -- Svito3 (留言) 12:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@GlowstoneUnknown: Your proposiion here is far better than many others. As said: I consider it as important (if not crucial) that a color systematic is visible – i.e. as follows: monarchies have purple/violet/pink: dark purple (absolute), light violet (constitutional), pink (parlamentarian); republics blue/turqoise-oriented (and blue: presidential vs. blue-green parlamentarian): blue (presidential), light blue (semi-presiential); dark turqoise (parlamentarian with executive president); light turqoise (parlamentarian with prime minister/representative president); then green (directorial); (I'd propose a mid olive); brown/dark orange (military junta), red (single party system); orange (theocracy (and other pseudo-democratic systems); light brown (overthrown temporary goverment); light grey (unknown). Is there missing somethig? Thank you for discussing – I'm not sure if I can make an example soon. ––ProloSozz (留言) 11:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Propositions

OK – here is the proposition based on the 16 basic html colors:

Forms of Government by country (with basic color palette slightly modified)
  absolute monarchy
  (semi-)constitutional monarchy
  parlamentarian monarchy
  presidential republic
  semi-presidential republic
  parliamentarian republic (executive presidency)
  parliamentarian republic (ceremonial presidency)
  assembly-independent republic
  theocratic republic
  single party state
  military junta
  provisional government

The color tones do not have to be exactly as proposed here (military and theocratic are slightly too close); tones are still to be improved. --ProloSozz (留言) 22:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

  Presidential republic
  Semi-presidential republic: president-parliamentary
  Semi-presidential republic: premier-presidential
  Assembly-independent republic
  Parliamentary republic with an executive presidency
  Parliamentary republic with a ceremonial presidency
  Constitutional monarchy
  Semi-constitutional monarchy
  Absolute monarchy
  One-party state
  Provisional government
  Military junta
  Theocratic republic

I'm sorry but I made even better version based on your idea. I didn't use teal, as it's something middle between blue and green. I like keeping greens for Islamic theocracy and juntas and not creating intermediate color between them and blues. I have also split semi-parliamentary republics into two, given that we also have less important distinction between parliamentary republic and parliamentary republic with an executive presidency. See talk on that issue. -- Svito3 (留言) 00:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

For me there is a problem with these colors: both monarchies and parliamentary republics have (partially) red (red/orange) tones. In my opinion persidential republics and parliamentary republics should have the same (or a very near) base color. Btw: an option would be to swap monarchies to blue tones and presidential republics to red tones. It is also not helpful when the republics with "only" ceremonial presidentcy have the same ground tone as monarchies. If then presidential republics should have a tone near monarchies. The colors themselves are OK. (btw: I prefer turqoise to orange)--ProloSozz (留言) 00:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Constitutional monarchy isn't ruled by a monarch. It is not a subtype of monarchical government. Unlike in monarchical government system, monarch does not participate in the government nor has powers to do so, same as an elected ceremonial president in a parliamentary republic doesn't. Disruping continuity between parliamentary republic and constitutional monarchy seems illogical. -- Svito3 (留言) 01:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

This version has fewer issues, but there is still a contrast issue when I view it through the deuteranopia filter, theocratic republic, one-party state, and provisional government, while still technically distinguishable, are incredibly similar and could lead to confusion. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 02:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I have tried to fix those issues by picking different colors and tested with 3 colorblind filters. -- Svito3 (留言) 13:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

If the colours are to be changed, I would favour retaining the orange of parl. rep. (ceremonial) and the red of const. mon. while using the sea-green teal for the hybrid semi-pres. system. When using my colourblindness simulation filter, these colours have too little contrast between abs. mon. and const. mon. for people with tritanopia, almost no contrast between parl. rep. (ceremonial) and const. mon. (and between military junta and one-party state) for people with deuteranopia, and theocratic republic and single-party state are indistinguishable for people with protanopia. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 01:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, here a version with colorblind palette from lospec:

Forms of Government by country (lospec colorblind palette)
  Absolute Monarchy
  Semi-Constitutional Monarchy
  Constitutional (Parlamentary) Monarchy
  Parliamentary Republic (Executive Presidency)
  Parliamentarian Republic (Ceremonial Presidency)
  Assembly-Independent Republic
  Semi-Presidential Republic (Premier-Presidential)
  Semi-Presidential Republic (President-Parliamentary
  Presidential Republic
  Theocratic Republic
  Single Party State
  Military Junta
  Provisional Government

Btw: the systematic is not as I would like it ... --ProloSozz (留言) 11:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Slight modification: parl.-rep. (exec) color swapped with semi-pres. (prem.-pres.)

Forms of Government by country (lospec colorblind palette two colors swapped)
  Parliamentary Republic (Executive Presidency)
  Semi-Presidential Republic (Premier-Presidential)

Btw: the systematic is not as I would like it ... --ProloSozz (留言) 11:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The above one has an issue as well, the deuteranopia filter shows me that the "generic" colour (i.e.   Dependent territories and places without governments) is almost indistinguishable from parliamentary republic (cer. pres.), which could lead to confusion, especially with islands such as Greenland and those in Oceania where it's unclear whether said island is an independent parliamentary republic or a dependent territory. I'm also not personally a fan of the contrast between theoc. and prov., I feel like for one, if we're going to be doing a system co-ordinated by colour "groups", they shouldn't look like variations of one another, and the deuteranopia filter shows very little contrast between premier-presidential and theoc. I'm also not in favour of differentiating the two types of semi-presidential republic, but that's another matter. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw: at the version you deleted two colors were swapped; I now change the grey to some lighter grey (#252525 to #606060); let's see if that's better. --ProloSozz (留言) 13:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The newest version you've uploaded still has some of the issues I complained about + a few more I noticed that were on the last one as well, semi-constitutional monarchy and assembly-independent republic are incredibly similar to eachother with protanopia and tritanopia, and the issue is still there with dependent territories and parliamentary republics. Personally, I don't think it's worth it to do this radical alteration of the map to use a brand-new colour palette when the one that's in use right now is perfectly fine (and since 3 days ago, completely colourblind-friendly). As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 13:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Forms of Government by country (lospec colorblind palette two colors swapped, grey lighter)
  Provisional Government

Let's differenciate: colorblind palette is one thing that not to contest and only restricts to some predefined colors and that the differences keep being visible. It does not say anything if there is a relation of government form with the color itself compared with nearby other forms. I consider it as not helpful if presidential system is dark blue, and semi-predisential a completely different color as light yellow. With such a combination any relation between nearby government forms get completely lost – specially if on the other hand monarchies have a similar color (absolue: dark purple; (semi-)constitutional: light purple/violett). It is mandatory that the main categories (as monarchy, presidential, parlamentary, hybrid, etc.) to have a nearby base color (purple for moarchies, blue for parlamentary, green for hybrid or what else) if it is the purpose of the map go give an overview. Having to deal with "presidential = blue" and "directorial" is also blue, but a different, but "semi-presidential" is something completely away from blue is not useful for a good overview of the distribution of the forms. I consider the map of 25.08.2024-14:04 as not acceptable in that way. --ProloSozz (留言) 11:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

My point is that there's no real reason for the colours to fit some "theme", the map as it is works perfectly fine for what it needs to show, it shows the system of government of each country in a non-ambiguous way that is accessible to colourblind people, if people are confused about what the colours mean, they can check the legend for the title of the category and a brief description of the system. There's no need to get hung up on this idea that there has to be some sort of thematic link with the colours, like their blueness showing republic status or their lightness showing dependence of the head of state on the legislature. It's just not necessary to have it that way, especially when the map is readable and understandable as it is. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 12:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Belarus

Under the Belarusian Constitution, the republic is Presidential. The President is head of state and government and although the PM can be held accountable by both the legislature and President, the President only serves an advisory function and the President has the right to adopt all executive decisions as Head of Government. Additionally, since the 2022 constitutional amendments much of the legislature’s rule was shifted towards the All-Belarusian People’s Assembly which is the ultimate representative organ of the state. Dashing24 (留言) 13:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

There are other republics with similar provisions as Belarus marked presidential Dashing24 (留言) 13:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-presidential system difference from presidential system is that parliament can dismiss prime minister and the government with a simple majority. Relationship between president and prime minister and their ability to overrule government isn't taken in consideration in the distinction.

Lukashenko is a big fan of Hitler, that's probably why he copied Weimar Germany constitution, which is semi-presidential system but with very powerful president. -- Svito3 (留言) 17:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

There is previous discussion on the matter as well, see: #Belarus, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan de jure are not fully presidential republics making same point. -- Svito3 (留言) 18:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

For consistency, I've moved Uzbekistan to semi-presidential as well/ Dashing24 (留言) 09:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Moving discussion on categorization of countries to the List article talk

I think talks about where given country should be should be moved to Wikipedia:Talk:List of countries by system of government. Also there is equivalent talk page on Wikipedia:File talk:Forms of government.svg as well where people leave similar comments nobody can see. Also there should be editors note about where which comments should go on each page. -- Svito3 (留言) 18:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)