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Provinces in Iranian Azerbaijan

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I would refer to either one of the below references about lands that considers part of Iranian Azerbaijan. The reference that you are citing (Britanica) is a general dictionary and probably have no say in detailed political geography of part of Iran. So if possible please stop reverting the article and changing it without discussion in discussion page of article. There is a section in discussion page about this. Thank you.

Touraj Atabaki, Azerbaijan: Ethnicity and the Struggle for Power in Iran, I.B.Tauris, 2000 (page=90)

Tadeusz Swietochowski, Brian C. Collins, Historical Dictionary of Azerbaijan, Scarecrow Press, 1999, (see page P 65 where it is considering city of Zanjan, the capital of the province, a major Azerbaijani city in Iran)

M. Behrooz, Rebels With A Cause: The Failure of the Left in Iran, I. B. Tauris; 2000 (see page 27).

Thank you --F4fluids (talk) 18:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian Azerbaijan

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Core Iranian Azerbaijan (officially) includes West Azerbaijan, East Azerbaijan, Ardabil and Zanjan provinces. Historically but it includes also Hamadan, Qazvin, Alborz (Karaj) and parts of other neighbouring provinces (like Gilan, Kordestan, Markazi, Kermanshah and Tehran provinces). Matreeks (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Historically it in fact does not include Zanjan at all (see the map here [1]), and in no universe does it include any part of Hamadan/Qazvin/Kordestan provinces or anything more. These claims are pretty much a fabrication of modern ethno-sectarian turkish nationalists, they have no historical or even demographic basis. --Qahramani44 (talk) 01:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File status

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Return to the first version. This is a personal work! Please do not modify it with or without a source! But for more information you can look at this source: Encyclopædia Britannica. 2019-10-06. (excerpt:"geographic region that comprises the extreme northwestern portion of Iran. It is bounded on the north by the Aras River, which separates it from independent Azerbaijan and Armenia; on the east by the Iranian region of Gīlān and the Caspian Sea; on the south by the Iranian regions of Qazvin and Kordestān; and on the west by Iraq and Turkey. Azerbaijan is about 44,000 square miles (110,000 square km) in area.") .--Frvuz (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica is not WP:RS and is at odds with various sources. Azerbaijan is a historical region, not an ethnic one (otherwise places such as Maku and Urmia wouldn't be considered part of it). Do note that this was already discussed with the author of the work, where a consensus was seemingly reached [2]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I know that the "Azerbaijan region" has nothing to do with ethnicity. But I did not know that you had already talked to the author of this work and reached a consensus. However, contrary to your claims, according to available sources, most of the people of Maku[1][2] and Urmia[3] are Azerbaijani.--Frvuz (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
None of those random websites are WP:RS, and two of the links barely work. Look up the ethnic maps of Iran, all of them show a Kurdish majority in the western part of Iranian Azerbaijan. This shouldn't be controversial. Anyways, this is going off-topic, I'm off. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are many biased and unrealistic maps. If you travel to Urmia and Maku, you will find out for yourself that most of the population of these cities are Azerbaijani. Or at least read the articles "Urmia" and "Maku" in the English Wikipedia.--Frvuz (talk) 02:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

زنجان

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در منابع تاریخی زنجان جزئی از آذربایجان است و حتی ابهر به عنوان دروازه شرقی آذربایجان ذکر شده است. ماسرا (talk) 06:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ↑ https://www.visitiran.ir/fa/destination/%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%A9%D9%88
  2. ↑ https://library.tebyan.net/fa/41913/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%8A%20%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%20%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A%20%D9%87%D9%85%DA%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%20%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%8A%20%D8%A8%D8%A7%20%D8%AA%D8%A7%DA%A9%D9%8A%D8%AF%20%D8%A8%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%85%20%D8%AA%D8%B1%DA%A9%20%D9%88%20%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%AF%20%D8%AF%D8%B1%20%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%A9%D9%88
  3. ↑ (December 1987). "Iran-Azarbaijanis". Error: journal= not stated. Library of Congress Country Studies.

Zanjan Province

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Some reliable sources in their texts and maps have considered Zanjan Province (Former Wilayah of Khamseh) as part of Iranian Azerbaijan:

Maps

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Map of Atropatene: Which covers the eastern lands of Ghezel Ozan River (current province of Zanjan).
The face of the Earth (977): Border of Azerbaijan is to Shemiran Castle on the border of current provinces of Zanjan and Qazvin.
The face of the Earth (977): The location of Zanjan is marked inside the map of Azerbaijan (southeastern part of the region).
Map of Iran in Afsharid Era (1747): The current county of Tarom is marked as part of Azerbaijan.
Map of Azerbaijani khanates in the 18th-19th centuries (1747): The Zanjan Khanate[1] is marked as part of the Azerbaijani Khanates.
Map of Iran (1756): Which the Zanjan Khanate is a part of the Azerbaijani Khanates of Iran (with dark color in the northwest of the country).
Map of the Azerbaijan People's Government (1945-1946): Which covers the current province of Zanjan).

Texts

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Kitāb Al-Boldān, Ibn al-Faqih (903):[2]

And the limit of Azerbaijan from the limit of Barza’ to the limit of Zanjan...

History of the Prophets and Kings (915):[3]

First, they should take the border from Hamedan to go out to Abhar and Zangan and finally to the Caspian Sea and in the middle, whatever the cities are, they should all be called Azerbaigan.

Muntaqila al-Talibiyya (1078):[4]

(Sohrevard) from the land of Azerbaijan...

Muhajiran Al Abu Talib (1078):[5]

Sohrevard: From the areas of Azerbaijan... is the name of a city near Zanjan...

The Complete History (1231):[6]

And the last thing in which the sermon was held for Muhammad Zanjan was from the following Azerbaijan...

Tazkareh Hezar Mazar (1389):[7][8]

Sajas is a village that is pleasant from the beginning, it was a small city in ancient times and it was destroyed in the Mongol dynasty and it is one of the additions of Azerbaijan.

Habib al-siyar (1524):[9]

They prepared to leave for Azerbaijan and carried out murder and looting ceremonies in Zanjan, Ardabil and Sara[b].

Sharafnama (1597):[10][11]

In the meantime, the Wilayah of Azerbaijan, which had been captured by the Ottomans, appointed the government of DovlatyarKhan to protect the border of the limits of Azerbaijan, and the area of Kershab and ZarrinKamar and Sajas and Zanjan and Surlaq and Qeydar and Shabestan and Ankuran...

Noqawat al-Athar fi Dhekr al-Akhyar (1598):[12]

To the state and emirate of all the Mamalik al-Azerbaijan from the border of Abhar and Soltaniyeh to the farthest points of Aran...

Tadhkirat al-mulūk (1732):[13][14]

Azerbaijan: Beylerbeyi of Tabriz:... Soltanieh and Zanjan.

Rostam al-tavarikh (1779):[15]

He left for Azerbaijan. In a period of seven years... Urmia, Maragheh, Ardabil, Khoy, Tabriz... Zanjan and the borders of Talesh and... the rest of that blessed Mamlaka has been captured and occupied...

Bustān as-siyāḥa (1832):[16]

Mention of Zanjan: The city is full of happiness from [Ajam of] Iraq, now has been considered as an addition to Azerbaijan for a long time.

Haqayeq al-Akhbar Naseri (1862):[17][18]

Because during this period, the Firuzi Kovkab Homayun Kovkab [Naser al-Din Shah Qajar] visited the area of [Ajam of] Iraq and Khamseh of Azerbaijan[19]...

Turkmen War (1876):[20][21][22]

The story is about the life of a person named Gholam Hossein, who was born in a village in the Khamseh of Azerbaijan.

Merat al-Boldan (1877):[23]

From Ardabil to Zanjan is five houses and to Khoy, which is the final city of Azerbaijan, is twenty-seven farsakhs.

Afzal al-Tavarikh (1899):[24]

The other mamlaka of Iran is "Azerbaijan", which Europeans writhe it "Atropatene". It is a vast mamlaka and has big cities. From Tehran and Qazvin, the Khamseh land is the beginning of the land of Azerbaijan, which leads to the Aras River.

Dehkhoda Dictionary (1931):[25][26][27]

Zanjan: It is a city to Azerbaijan. The ruling city of Khamseh Wilayah... In the books of geographers, this city was sometimes considered as a region from Deylam, sometimes as part of Jibal, sometimes as part of Azerbaijan, and sometimes as part of Rey.

Sharh Zendegani Man (1945):[28]

After the formation of Ahmad Ghavam's cabinet, and the departure of the Russian army from Iran... Although this autonomy in the agreements and resolutions of the government limited to the third and fourth provinces and in no way did it include Khamseh Wilayah, which is part of the first province, the democratic government of Tabriz did not want to give up take this wilayah, and withdraw its sacrifices from Zanjan and other parts of this wilayah.

Tabaghat Aa'lam Al-Shia (1954):[29]

Al-Abhari Al-Isfahani: Relating to Abhar affiliated with Isfahan... And it is different from Abhar in Azerbaijan.

History of Iran from ancient times to the present (1980):[30]

Mohammad Khayabani and his supporters resolutely fought against the 1919 agreement... they declared Azerbaijan of Iran autonomous, within the framework of Iran... After the April uprising in Tabriz, the power of the Democrats extended to Urmia, Khoy, Ardabil, Maragheh, Salmas, Zanjan and Azerbaijan was declared as "Azadistan"... Teaching in Azerbaijani schools was conducted in the Azerbaijani language. In Tabriz, Urmia and Zanjan alone, 325 primary schools and 82 new high schools were opened.

Gitashenasi Geographical and cartographic Publication (1983):[31][32]

Khamseh: Former wilayah of Iran, in the south of Azerbaijan and west of Iran. Its center was Zanjan and one of its famous cities was Soltaniyeh. The 5 main blocks (Khamseh means five) that made up Khamseh Wilayah were: 1. AbaharRud 2. KharRud [Khodabandeh] 3. ZanjanRud 4. IjRud 5. SajasRud.

Encyclopedia of the World of Islam (2001):[33][34]

Beylerbeyi of Azerbaijan included 26 rulers, including Astara, Maragheh... Soltaniyeh and Zanjan.

Relations between Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan (2005):[35][36]

And cities such as Tabriz, Ardabil and Zanjan have been considered as cities of Azerbaijan.

History of Shiism in Azerbaijan (2006):[37]

He opened one of the castles of "Abhar" and made peace with them on conditions, and this was the first time that Muslims entered Azerbaijan.

Calendar of Contemporary History of Iran (2006):[38]

Order to pursue the republicanism as strongly as possible to the military commanders of Azerbaijan: In a letter to the ten commanders of the military districts of Meshkin, Ardabil, Marand, Khoy, Maragheh, Salas (Urmia, Salmas, Solduz), Savojbolagh, Zanjan, Maku and Ahar... The British sources present in Azerbaijan believed that "the majority of the Azerbaijani people are opposed to the idea of a republic in Iran."

THE CAUCASUS: an introduction (2009):[39]

Azerbaijan: The region covering the northern provinces of Iran: East Azerbaijan, West Azerbaijan, Ardabil and Zanjan.

References

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  1. ↑ Рафаэль Хакимов, Азербайджанские государства. Зенджанское ханство (1747—1810), Реальное время
  2. ↑ ابن فقیه، احمد بن محمد، البلدان، بیروت: عالم الکتب، ۱۴۱۶ قمری، ص ۵۸۲.
  3. ↑ محمد بن حریر طبری، تاریخ طبری یا تاریخ الرسل و الملوک، جلد ۵، ترجمه و تلخیص ابوعلی بلعمی، ترجمه ابوالقاسم پاینده، تهران: اساطیر، ۱۳۶۲، ص ۱۹۷۹.
  4. ↑ ابن طباطبا علوی اصفهانی، ابراهیم بن ناصر، منتقلة الطالبیة، قم: المکتبة الحیدریة، ۱۳۷۷، ص ۱۷۸.
  5. ↑ ابن طباطبا علوی اصفهانی، ابراهیم بن ناصر (۱۳۷۲)، مهاجران آل ابوطالب، ترجمه محمدرضا عطائی، مشهد: آستان قدس رضوی، بنیاد پژوهشهای اسلامی، چاپ اول، ص ۴۸۰.
  6. ↑ ابن اثیر، علی بن محمد، الکامل فی التاریخ، جلد ۱۰، بیروت: دار صادر، ۱۳۸۵ قمری، ص ۳۵۹.
  7. ↑ جنید بن محمود جنید شیرازی، تذکره هزار مزار، به تصحیح عبدالوهاب نورانی وصال، تهران: کتابخانه احمدی شیراز، چاپ دوم، ۱۳۶۴.
  8. ↑ جنید بن محمود جنید شیرازی، شد الإزار فی حط الأوزار عن زوار المزار، به تصحیح محمد قزوینی، عباس اقبال آشتیانی، تهران: چاپخانه مجلس‏، چاپ اول، ۱۳۲۸، ص ۳۱۲.
  9. ↑ خواند میر، غیاث‌الدین بن همام‌الدین، تاریخ حبیب السیر فی اخبار افراد بشر، جلد ۳، تهران: خیام، ۱۳۸۰، ص ۳۳.
  10. ↑ بدلیسی، شرف الدین بن شمس الدین، شرفنامه / تعریب، جلد ۱، دمشق: دار الزمان، ۲۰۰۶، ص ۳۱۰.
  11. ↑ بدلیسی، شرف الدین بن شمس الدین، شرفنامه، محقق: ولیامینوف، ولادیمیر، ۲ جلد، تهران: اساطیر، ۱۳۷۷، جلد ۱، صص ۳۲۵-۳۲۴.
  12. ↑ افوشه‌ای نطنزی، محمود، نقاوه الآثار فی ذکر الاخبار، تصحیح احسان شرقی، تهران، بنگاه ترجمه و نشر کتاب، ۱۳۵۰: ص ۱۵۸.
  13. ↑ میرزا سمیعا، تذکرةالملوک: سازمان اداری حکومت صفوی یا تعلیقات مینورسکی بر تذکرةالملوک، به کوشش دکتر سید محمد دبیرسیاقی، ترجمه مسعود رجب‌نیا، تهران: مؤسسه انتشارات امیرکبیر، ۱۳۷۸، صص ۷۰، ۷۸-۷۲، ۱۸۸-۱۹۶.
  14. ↑ اکرم حسین‌پور، منیژه تراب‌زاده، فهیمه وزیری، فریبا شهیدی‌فر، ماهیت تحولات در آسیای مرکزی و قفقاز، تهران: مؤسسه چاپ و انتشارات وزارت امور خارجه، ۱۳۷۳: ص ۵۱.
  15. ↑ رستم‌الحکماء، محمدهاشم، رستم التواریخ، به تصحیح مهرآبادی، میترا، تهران: دنیای کتاب، ۱۳۸۲، ص ۳۵۰.
  16. ↑ شیروانی، زین‌العابدین بن اسکندر، بستان السیاحه، تهران: سنایی، چاپ اول، ص ۳۰۳.
  17. ↑ محمدجعفر خورموجی، تاریخ حقایق: حقایق الاخبار ناصری، به کوشش حسین خدیوجم، تهران: زوار، ۱۳۴۴، ص ۲۵۴.
  18. ↑ محمد خالقی مقدم، آذربایجان در ادوار مختلف تاریخی، نشریه موج بیداری، شماره ۱۰۴، سه‌شنبه ۲ مرداد ۱۳۸۶، ص ۴.
  19. ↑ ابوالحسن غفاری کاشانی، گلشن مراد، به اهتمام غلامرضا طباطبایی مجد، تهران: زرین، ۱۳۶۹.
  20. ↑ کنت ژوزف آرتور گوبنیو، جنگ ترکمن یا آیینه تمام‌نمای اوضاع و احوال اجتماعی و اداری و کشوری و لشکری ایران در گذشته از زبان یک سرباز روستایی، ترجمۀ محمدعلی جمالزاده، تهران: جاویدان، ۱۳۵۷.
  21. ↑ محمدرضا جوادی یگانه، ایرانی‌ای که بود، ایرانی‌ای که هست: درآمدی بر نگاه گوبینو به ایرانیان و زمینه‌های شکل‌گیری آن، فصلنامۀ تخصصی جستارهایی در جامعه‌شناسی تاریخی، مؤسسۀ مطالعات و تحقیقات اجتماعی دانشگاه تهران، سال اول، شماره دوم، پاییز و زمستان ۱۳۹۱، ص ۵۷.
  22. ↑ کنت ژوزف آرتور گوبنیو، جنگ ترکمن، ترجمۀ محمدعلی جمالزاده، به کوشش علی دهباشی، تهران: نشر علم، ۱۳۹۹.
  23. ↑ محمدحسن بن علی اعتماد السلطنه، مرآة البلدان‏، ۴ جلد، به تصحیح: عبدالحسین نوایی، هاشم محدث، جلد ۱، تهران: دانشگاه تهران، ۱۳۶۷، ص ۳۹.
  24. ↑ افضل الملک، غلامحسین، افضل التواریخ، تهران: نشر تاریخ ایران، ۱۳۶۱، ص ۳۰۰.
  25. ↑ پادشاه، محمد و محمد دبیرسیاقی (۱۳۳۶)، فرهنگ آنندراج، چاپ اول، تهران: خیام.
  26. ↑ صفی پوری شیرازی، عبدالرحیم بن عبدالکریم (۱۳۹۰)، منتهی الارب فی لغه العرب، تصحیح و تعلیق: محمدحسن فؤادیان، علیرضا حاجیان نژاد، جلد اول، تهران: مؤسسه انتشارات دانشگاه تهران، شابک ۹۷۸-۹۶۴-۰۳-۵۸۴۹-۸.
  27. ↑ زنجان،مؤسسۀ لغت‌نامۀ دهخدا و مرکز بین‌المللی آموزش زبان‌فارسی دانشگاه تهران، تاریخ بازبینی=۳۱ اکتبر ۲۰۲۱
  28. ↑ عبدالله مستوفی، شرح زندگانی من، ۳ جلد، تهران: زوار، ۱۳۸۴، جلد ۳، ص ۴۳۲.
  29. ↑ آقابزرگ تهرانی، محمدمحسن، طبقات أعلام الشیعة، جلد ۹، بیروت: دار إحیاء التراث العربی، ۱۴۳۰ قمری، ص ۲۵.
  30. ↑ ادوین آرویدوویچ گرانتوفسکی، تاریخ ایران از زمان باستان تا امروز، ترجمهٔ کیخسرو کشاورزی، تهران: پویش، ۱۳۵۹، صص ۴۳۰ و ۴۹۴.
  31. ↑ جعفری، عباس، فرهنگ گیتاشناسی، ۳/۴۷۹، تهران: موسسه جغرافیایی و کارتوگرافی گیتاشناسی.
  32. ↑ گروهی از نویسندگان (۱۳۸۸)، سفرنامه‌های خطی فارسی، جلد ۴، تهران: نشر اختران، چاپ اول، ص ۲۵۸.
  33. ↑ مریم میراحمدی، تاریخ سیاسی و اجتماعی ایران در عصر صفوی، تهران: مؤسسه انتشارات امیرکبیر، ۱۳۷۱، صص ۱۳۵، ۱۴۲-۱۴۱.
  34. ↑ تبریز دانشنامه جهان اسلام، تاریخ بازدید: ۱۸ نوامبر ۲۰۲۱
  35. ↑ جباری، ولی، شیعیان جمهوری آذربایجان، قم: شیعه‌شناسی، ۱۳۸۹، ص ۲۱۰.
  36. ↑ بهرام امیراحمدیان، روابط ایران و جمهوری آذربایجان، تهران: انتشارات وزارت امور خارجه، ۱۳۸۴، ص ۳۲-۳۱.
  37. ↑ رضایی، محمد، تاریخ تشیع در آذربایجان، قم: شیعه‌شناسی، ۱۳۸۵، صص ۱۵-۱۴.
  38. ↑ فراهانی، حسن، روزشمار تاریخ معاصر ایران، جلد ۴، تهران: مؤسسه مطالعات و پژوهشهای سیاسی، ۱۳۸۵، ص ۴.
  39. ↑ Frederik Coene (2009), THE CAUCASUS: an introduction, APPENDIX I: CONFUSING TERMS, New York: Routledge, 2009, pp. 256.
You're posting a mixture of primary sources, non-accessible sources and non-WP:RS sources, this is not helping at all. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: If you look at the sources that are after 1931 (Dehkhoda Dictionary and after that) you will definitely still find many sources that are not primary sources. The source is not one or two cases where we want to ignore the fact that Zanjan was sometimes part of Azerbaijan, Iran. Also, many sources, including this new English source, are fully accessible. The same reliable English source is enough to mark Zanjan with a different color. --Elmju (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you didnt understand, feel free to read my question again. This is a clear lack of WP:CIR, not to mention signs of WP:POV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: The uploader, after discussing with you and in the absence of credible sources, has accepted your desired version based on your claims. Definitely, by seeing all these credible sources and maps, he will be satisfied with maintaining the credibility of Wikimedia and Wikipedia. Especially since the file is used in various Wikipedias and if there is any problem and mistake, that should be corrected according to the sources. I think there is no need to continue the discussion and I do not want to. In Wikipedia, credible sources say the first letter. --Elmju (talk) 19:47, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand a word of what you're saying. You're clearly using Google Translate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. User:Elmju's last 100 edits were made within a time period spanning some ~ 10 years,[3] yet he's somehow super duper aware of HistoryofIran's editorial pattern.[4] Such peculiarities don't happen by coincidence within this topic area. I might add that the 18kb content that user: "Elmju" dropped right here is an amalgam of primary sources, unintelligble non-English sources and original research. If Zanjan is really part of this historical Iranian region, then it should be no issue finding English language sources to prove. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisAragon: During this time I was using my other account. Please talk about map and sources, instead of talking about users' personalities or inviting different users to this page to speak against one person. These sources are among the most reliable sources in Persian or Arabic in Iran and Islamic countries. There are also reliable English sources like this. All of these sources can not be ignored. Zanjan Province has not always been part of Azerbaijan. It is marked with a different color, so that all this credible sources and maps that have said that Zanjan Province is part of Azerbaijan as not to be ignored. --Elmju (talk) 20:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty ironic that you say we shouldn't focus on other users yet you were the first one to do so. Sources should indeed not be ignored, which is exactly what you are doing now. As I already said, this has been discussed various times, and based on avaliable sources was met with the consensus [5] that Zanjan shouldn't be included. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, during my research of historical sources, I realized that just as some Pan-Turkists fabricate history and tell lies, some of our Iranian compatriots have ignored some historical sources. It was interesting to me that Zanjan or even the cities of the Republic of Azerbaijan have been part of or subject to Azerbaijan of Iran in some periods of history (according to some reliable historical books). Yes, I know the content of those discussions. I always believed that Azerbaijan has always consisted of only three provinces of Iran and the rest are lying. But now I have come to the conclusion that instead of discussing, I should look for credible historical sources. There are definitely more sources about the fact that Zanjan Province was part of Azerbaijan in some periods. But I just found these sources and maps and that is enough to define this province in a different color. At the same time, I do not think that if Zanjan was part of an Iranian historical land (Azerbaijan) at some times, would create a problem for Iran. Thanks. --Elmju (talk) 20:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you to decide that? Such means are achieved through discussion, not force. You don't own Wikipedia, as does no one else. If you get reverted, you should take your concerns to the talk page and reach consensus. That is generally how Wikipedia works - through discussion. If you can't work with that, then this might not be the place for you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Previously, if there was a discussion about whether Zanjan is part of Azerbaijan or not, due to the lack of reliable sources in this field, it was only based on the claims of some ethnicists who said that Zanjan is part of Azerbaijan. Now I have added these reliable sources and certainly other users who are familiar with history and are not fanatical will add other sources as well. This is different from when users without any source and only based on the map of the Azerbaijani language, made Zanjan as part of Azerbaijan. Your reason at that time was that no historical source considered Zanjan to be part of Azerbaijan. But now many sources have been mentioned in this regard. We can now argue based on these sources and the accuracy of these historical sources. But these sources are not blogs that be false. Some of these are part of the cultural heritage of the Iranian nation and Islamic nations and they can not be ignored. --Elmju (talk) 21:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly don't understand what I and LouisAragon are saying because you are using Google Translate as you don't speak English. This discussion is useless. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to your concerns, dear compatriot, I wish the best for you, LouisAragon, and other esteemed colleagues. --Elmju (talk) 21:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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