File talk:Nationalities in Second Polish Republic ca. 1931.png

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Its good representation of census of 1932, but in terms of historical and ethnographic facts this map is nonense - let me sum up:

  • it shows Belarusians in areas of Podlasie region that vere and are to modern day inhabited by Ukrainian speaking groups I mean mostly area more south from Białystok. The lone area south from Bialystok is more or less correct. But more south area marked as Belarusians ( North from Siedlce east to Brześć ) is not correct - those should be marked as Ukrainians.
  • It shows no Belarusians north from Bialystok - and they should be marked there as there was and still are alot of belarusian speaking villages ( they are mostly roman catholics )
  • Domination of Poles in areas of modern day Lithuania and Belarus were disputed here so I will not repeat arguments of that discussion.

So: It should be renamed to "... according to Census from ..." and noted that this map is controversial. You should keep in mind that polish politics directed toward national minorities was highly biased and there are numerous historians claiming that this census was biased and full of cases of falsifications. 178.36.21.22 15:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[回覆]

And file shall be edited to put information on it that it represents just results of census and do not represent actual situation. 178.36.21.22 15:58, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[回覆]

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i suggest to delete this map.. its a remake of propaganda map... the polish people covering to much area, especially in the east... according to this map kaunas was a polish city and counting masuarians (97% for germany) and silesians (60% for germany) to polish nation seem to be also inaccurate like other areas are in accurate like lithuania color on the memelterritory...

in conclusion the author of this map had the goal to maximize the polish area 84.189.120.192 22:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[回覆]

aprox. >1% polish people live in Kaunas region (Lithuania) in 1931. In 1931 Lithuania capital was Kaunas and at these moment Vilnius was occuapaied by Poland (war), so I hope it is a joke. Arz1969 19:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[回覆]
I agree that this Original Research map is inaccurate - not even the name fits. No good source will confirm it. Needs to be updated or deleted. -- Matthead discuß!     O       22:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[回覆]
Your comments are appreciated, but the map was created by Henryk Zieliński, professor of history and member of the Polish-German Textbook Commission, and as such is quite verifiable and reliable.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[回覆]
The color image has a small signature "by Krys..", it is tagged with "I, the author of this work, ... ", and it's in the category "Self-published work". That's not exactly an indication for "verifiable and reliable". Some may be motivated to investigate e.g. the non-colored version listed under "Opis" (whatever that means), but mosts will hardly bother. On first sight, e.g. starting at the top/north, the colored version shows its flaws: the area of the Memel territory is marked 100% Lithuanian were roughly half of the population spoke German. Judging from this fact and the title "Nationalities ... 1931", one is inclined that citizenship is meant, not language. On the other hand, colored enclaves within other colors indicate that language must be meant. The title claims to cover "Second Polish Republic", yet plenty of Polish red can be found outside the borders, too. Using only one "winner takes it all" color for mixed areas, as done in this image, is not helpful. The tag recommending "Images that have been tagged with this template may be deleted immediately" should be followed.
Regarding Zieliński's map from the early 1980s: again starting at the top, one finds Krolewiecz, which indicates that the map must have been intended for Poles. Was/is it in Polish Textbooks, did Zieliński submit it to the Commission for use in German textbooks? No wonder somebody painted it over for Wikipedia. Anyway, the original Zieliński map is useful for the illustration of Polish POV. -- Matthead discuß!     O       12:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[回覆]

This map is very inaccurate. To keep it means that you value the map authors' professor status more than historical accuracy, which does not make much sense. For the record, I am myself a Uni professor (albeit in molecular biology), so perhaps you should heed my opinion if the professor status is all that counts 8-)

Strangely enough, map showing Second Polish Republic census extends itself into Lithuanian Republic (sic!). I'd be interested how did Polish Republic managed to get data from Kaunas and surrounding areas, and managed to find there so many Poles. Even more, strangely enough - minorities are distributed by the border evenly. what is this - jusification of Poland's annexed areas? If you'd ask my opinion, I've not seen more biased nonsence in years.--Lokyz 20:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[回覆]

Further to all this, the map has blue land, an obvious no no. --bigbrisco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.113.17.190 (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[回覆]

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Poles in Slovakia

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These Polish diasporas in Slovakia are just nonsense. 109.81.215.30 19:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[回覆]

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