File talk:Person misidentified as Ejup Ganić.jpg

This isn't Ejup Ganic. I don't know who it is, but a simple Google search tells me (and the two people who complained to me about this problem) that it isn't him. I'm not sure what action to take regarding this matter. Gopher65_talk 16:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

As near as I can tell, this image was incorrectly uploaded to defenseimagery.mil. From there it made its way to Commons, and from there to Wikipedia. Unfortunately a lot of people use Wikipedia as their sole source for information, and that's lead led to a minor proliferation of this image around the web. Gopher65_talk 17:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, there are TWO images of Ejup Ganic on defenseimagery.mil, and they are obviously of two different individuals. I see that Fleetcommand has already been looking into this issue, so I'm going to let him take it from here. I've removed the image from both en.Wikipedia and a protected page on en.Wikinews until this has been resolved. Hopefully a new picture will be found. Gopher65_talk 17:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I already proposed to rename image, because obviously it's not Ejup Ganić, but it was declined because i had no evidence for that. Just use google images search for evidence. --Smooth_O (talk) 11:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the level of bureaucracy and red tape of Commons is so staggeringly great that I make a significant effort not to deal with this place:P. Sometimes I'm forced to though;). If Commons was a logical place, simply saying "this isn't him. Just do a search and you'll see it's true" would be enough. At the moment Commons is such that you're forced to either fill out forms in triplicate (what you tried to do), play Russian roulette with the problem (what I'm doing here: toss my cards up in the air and hope for the best), or use the Red Phone to cut through all the layers of redundant red tape and reach someone "in charge" (ie, direct-to-friendly-wikibureaucrat-message). It's a sad state of affairs. Gopher65_talk 16:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid that is the limit of what I could do: To kickstart a discussion. I don't know this person and don't know who is telling the truth here, but I trust my fellow Commons friends. The problem is: What can I do? I am a filemover; I can rename this file but to what should I rename it? "Person misidentified as Ejup Ganić?" I think this issue deserves the attention of an administrator. Fleet Command (talk) 17:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Admin or not - we need a person that can identify the depicted person. --High Contrast (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

The picture might not be anyone that *can* be identified. Whoever uploaded it to defenseimagery.mil (I assume using a batch uploader with auto-naming capability) probably named it Ejup Ganic for a reason. Maybe the original name of the image was "random rear bodyguard walking 3 metres behind Ejup Ganic", and the batch uploader stripped away everything but the name. Is there a category or naming convention for misidentified images that can't be readily identified?Gopher65_talk 21:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It will be hard to identify this person. I searched for the list of JCC from that time, but wasn't able to find it. This person is certainly no some well known Bosnian politician, and definitely no Ejup Ganić, so i categorize him as "unidentified people", and file should be renamed to avoid confusion. --Smooth_O (talk) 07:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The new file name is inappropriate. FleetCommand should have asked for a consensus instead of creating such file names. @Gopher65: I do not think that the depicted person is a "random" bodyguard. This person seems to be interesting enough to get photographed or to communicate with. Bodyguards mostly shut up - the person on the image obviously does not. @Smooth O: I agree that this might be a Bosnian politician. But can you provide certain info that could verify it? Can we find something about a political event in/near the town of Doboj? --High Contrast (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I tried reverse image searches. The only hits led back here through Wikinews and Wikipedia. Gopher65_talk 15:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

@High Contrast: Excuse me? Gopher65 and Smooth_O have already agreed that this person is not EG and that this image must be renamed. You had not expressed opposition either. How you do not regard three unanimous consents a consensus? Besides, I went all over Wikimedia Foundation projects attempting to draw input. You also came here and took no action. Therefore, waiting longer than this would not be caution; it would be procrastination.

Now, I propose speedy-deleting this image because if the subject is not who is supposed to be, then it is highly probable that the license is also not what is supposed to be. Fleet Command (talk) 02:04, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I am the admin you were asking for above. One must act with caution with such issues. And fact is that absolutely nobody requested to move this file to that recent named version. Everything else pointed out by you a few lines above is hysteria (danger with this file) or whimsical demands (deleting this file). You can run a DR but you should think of a good reason. --High Contrast (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Although nobody requested this exact name, two different people explicitly asked for rename. Furthermore, nobody registered an objection when I proposed this name. Last but not least, this name is technically an accurate name. Now, ignoring the painful nature of your personal attacks, I conclude that you disagree with the points on deletion and procrastination. That's okay; difference of opinion between humans is very common and everyone's opinion is respectable. But I'd rather you agreed to discussed it in the way that mature people do. Last but not least, I did not order an admin the way I order a pizza. (So, sorry, I cannot eat you!) I said "this issue deserves the attention of an administrator" and I certainly meant an experienced person who knows how to handle this kind of situation, has communication and negotiation skills, assumes good faith, is faithful to community etiquette, etc. Fleet Command (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Can somebody determine if the depicted person is a Bosnian politician? --High Contrast (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

A friend of mine just said this person is an author, although he does not remember his name. Fleet Command (talk) 06:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

An author from Bosnia? Perhaps your friend can find it out. We have the time to wait. --High Contrast (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

No, not Bosnian. He does not know any Bosnian authors. He can't give me any more details. I am afraid looks like we hit a dead end. To tell the truth, when my friend said it, I felt we've found a clue; but now, I am sort of despaired. The only thing I can think of is to ask a WikiProject in Wikipedia for help: a project related to Bosnia, one related to politics and one related to literature. (The problem is: I don't know how to ask a WikiProject for help.) Fleet Command (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)