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Is there a chance to see the EXIF (and GPS?) info for this file? I don't believe this was taken when it says it was taken. And I don't see even watermarked original anywhere on recognized spotter websites. No news agencies used it, either. I also don't see any other overhead shots like this from Kielce or near Kielce. I think the photographer is not truthful about it being the last shot of this airplane before the crash. Leo711 (talk) 14:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]

You can see EXIF in the bottom (lowest) table under the description. You have there some metadata:
Canon EOS 500D
1/500 s (0,002)
10:32, 29 Dec 2012
etc.
You do not have here GPS data, but in the OTRS system (Ticket #2012122910006903) we have e-mail from bartusekspotter, author of this picture. We can read there (in Polish):
Lokalizacja : http://goo.gl/maps/fVs0H Tu stał teleskop, z tego miejsce wykonywałem zdjęcie,
what means:
"Localisation: http://goo.gl/maps/fVs0H Here was the telescope standing, from this place I was shoting this picture".
This localisation is exact 50°56'32,76"N; 20°32'36,83"E, points the garden in the posession on Łazy Street (near Łódzka Street) in Miedziana Góra, circa twelve kilometers NWN from Kielce.
Julo (talk) 16:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]
Yes, I've seen that and that's why I've removed that message. If you decided to bring it back up, here are some more of my doubts. The photographer claims this photo was taken two hours before the crash. The metadata says it's 10:32. Aparently the time is UTC. It can't be Eastern European (Poland) time zone because then it would mean that it was taken 40 minutes before the airplane took off. It means that the local time was 11:32. In the Northern hemisphere the noon sun should be roughly at the South or South-East. And, if the airplane is flying East or North-East (as the route suggests) the sun should be illuminating the airplane's starboard. However, on the photograph the sun is aparently shining from the quarter port side (you can see the sun reflection on the left side of the windshield). This implies that the airplane is either flying West in the afternoon or is flying East in the morning in the Southern hemisphere. Do I understand this part correctly? It is also very suspicious that such a unique shot wasn't used by any news agencies or published on plane-spotters websites. I believe the reason for that is that both of those require the original photograph with genuine metadata. Leo711 (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Canoe1967 (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Can we remove the dispute tags now if all are in agreement that it was an earlier flight?--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]

  • Agree. I've already tried to finish these speculations, but Leo711 (as I know from the discussion at the Russian WP) is still anxious about the difference in time: 8.32 UTC ≠ 10.32 Warsaw and considers these EXIF data as fake. Maybe, camera mistakenly remained on DST? Sealle (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]
I have the same camera and the clock does lose/gain sometimes when I change batteries. File:Heron and small trout crop.jpg lost 2 years but the time and date are correct within an hour. I think the camera was still on my home time zone 1 hour east.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[回覆]