File talk:Republic of Artsakh (orthographic projection).svg

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Nagorno Karabakh Mappe ist gefälscht. Nagorno Karabakh ist autonom Provinz von Aserbaidschan (nach UNO, EU Anerkennung). Nagorno Karabakh ist nicht unabhängig.http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aserbaidschan

--91.213.20.1 11:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Das (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (orthographic projection).svg) ist keine Karte von Bergkarabach, Das ist Karte von Republik Bergkarabach. Dinamik (talk) 17:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

New map

@Nicolay Sidorov: If you agree that Yuxarı Veysəlli is controlled by Azerbaijani forces, why are you reverting instead of accounting for that change? Right now your map shows Yuxarı Veysəlli as an enclave within peacekeeper-controlled territory, whereas Azerbaijan controls it in continuity with the territories lying to the south: [1] Parishan (留言) 00:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Parishan I think this map needs to show all the provinces of the Republic of Artsakh, which they consider "reintegrated". The current one shows the territory of NKR in 90s. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 17:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

It is already showing them. Parishan (留言) 19:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I see, that current map shows as claimed only territories, which were claimed by NKR in 1990-s and are now not under NKR-control. Do we have sources, that NKR canceled claims to territories, which were additionally occupied during first Karabakh war and were included to NKR (by its opinion)? If no, I think, that we should also mark such territories as claimed. Dinamik (留言) 22:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Kentronhayastan I think, these are still territories claimed by the Republic of Artsakh. Can we somehow edit the map, adding the rest territories as claimed with another colour? Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 13:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Nicolay Sidorov May we know your opinion as well? Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 17:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I reverted the addition of claims earlier for this reason, but it's entirely possible there could be no sources on this either way. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 18:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Claimed area

How do we know Artsakh claims rest of Nagorno-Karabakh and if so, how do we know it doesn't also claim the surrounding districts? The map currently seems like original research. CuriousGolden (留言) 17:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The claim to the entire NKAO+Shahumyan is from long before the 2020 war. The surrounding districts is a topic we don't have information on, as I noted above. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 03:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

They couldn't put a claim on something that they were already controlling (most of NKAO, prior to 2020). The claims were on the remaining parts of NKAO. The Artsakh government hasn't said anything about claiming new areas. CuriousGolden (留言) 14:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Countries generally do claim territory they control. The assertion requiring evidence would be that previous claims have been dropped. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 06:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis So, basically we have Artsakh's official position that the territories of the Artsakh Republic, which have been under the control of Azerbaijan so far, are considered to be occupied by the Republic of Azerbaijan. Thoughts? Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 20:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

That statement seems deliberately ambiguous on their part, unless there's a particular nuance in Armenian that doesn't carry over to English. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 01:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis I agree that still it is not clear about previously controlled seven districts from this statement, however, the full map, based on their official position, appears in the Armenian Wikipedia. [2] Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 14:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

That map was my assumption back in November, but I haven't seen any sources for it. Presumably at some point they'll put a map in some official document. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 14:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, let's wait for that. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (留言) 18:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

COM:OVERWRITE rule violation

@Chipmunkdavis: per COM:OVERWRITE you are reverting to wrong version. Original upload on 10:24, 27 January 2010 by Kentronhayastan had no conflict areas. This was for many years and only on 19:15, 22 September 2014 the rule was violated by Nicolay Sidorov by replacing the content. --Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ★ 07:29, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, what does this have to do with me? A few editors, including Kentronhayastan, updated the map in 2020 following the war to reflect the new borders. I was not one of them. A map from 2010 would be quite inadequate given recent events. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 07:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

My point is not against reflecting the new borders of the Upper Karabakh but against violation of the rule by Nicolay by adding extra conflict areas all around the world. Since we agree that it is a violation, I will properly update the map. --Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ★ 08:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)