File talk:The sunken 'Hollandia', 64 guns, with HMS 'Latona', '38 guns, standing by the wreck.Romney Hyde Parker (cropped).jpg

Notes on HMS Latona (1781) and the Sunken Hollandia

You deleted my image of the sunken 'Hollandia', 64 guns, with HMS 'Latona', 38 guns, (1781) standing by the wreck; at Dogger Bank; a detail taken from the Portrait of Vice-Admiral Sir Hyde Parker. So your saying the incident in the portrait never happened?, and yet the National Maritime Museum doesn't confirm that to be the case. see https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14404.html Broichmore (talk) 07:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid it didn't. Not in the way depicted in the painting at any rate. The Hollandia sunk the following day or later that night, (depending on sources) after the fleets had parted, and there is nothing to say she was even engaged by Latona. He who pays the piper calls the tune and it was quite common for those commissioning works to exaggerate or even fabricate events. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Pertinence and encyclopedic nature states that, "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative". The event depicted in the image isn't mentioned in the text, for reasons already given, and so I can't see how the image is pertinent. It's a shame because images of Latona are rare and I congratulate you on finding it but I don' think we can use it, sorry. --Ykraps (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I take on board what you say. The only actual claim here is at some point the Latona witnessed the wreck, that could have been weeks or months after the battle. Would it help to crop the Hollandia out of the image? Do we at least have (if separated) two legitimate images, the Latona on one hand and the wreck on the other? Broichmore (talk) 07:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think Latona was anywhere near the Hollandia at anytime. I think the only British ship to see her was the Belle Poule (although I could be wrong there). Yes, cropping the image as you suggest would give us two good images. We could then use the Latona image, with a suitable caption, in the infobox.--Ykraps (talk) 16:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I've cropped them, but I fear I'll have to go over to Greenwich to snap better. -Broichmore (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)