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Faltan las fuentes de esa distribución de reinos. --Fergon 10:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It roughly matches the "A.D. 562" map in the Penguin Atlas of Medieval History by Colin McEvedy (though that map would appear to show Seville under Byzantine control). AnonMoos 16:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. And for the area named vascos?

The Basques are shown as independent on all maps in that atlas from 476 A.D. to 771 A.D. -- AnonMoos 22:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be an error. As I know, from the Roman Empire to the kingdom of Pamplona, there are no people called Vascos, but Vascones, and in the most eastern area marked Vascos. And, in the western area there was different not basque peoples, called Cantabros and Astures. This map Image:Hispania3c.JPG has the same problem... --Fergon 16:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This map is in Spanish, not Latin... AnonMoos 17:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That`s right. Vascos, Vascones, Cantabros and Astures is Spanish. All were pre-roman tribes excepting Vascos. You can compare with this map.[1] Cantabros and Vascones (not Vascos) are in different areas. --Fergon 20:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree. In all my books about Spanish History, for instance, Historia de España, La Hispania visigoda, Historia 16, 1995, page. 55, the Northern part of the Iberian Peninsula is occupied, from West to East, by: Astures - Cantabros - Vascones. It's Spanish. The right word in Spanish is VASCONES not vascos. This image is not exact and ignores the existence of two other people that lived in Northern Spain from the Pre-roman time: Cántabros and astures, as it is proved by the Roman sources.

(Traducción al español)Estoy de acuerdo. En todos mis libros de Historia española, por ejemplo, Historia de España, La Hispania visigoda, Historia 16, 1995, pág. 55, la parte norte de la Península Ibérica está ocupada, desde el Oeste hacia el Este por: Astures - Cantabros - Vascones. Es español. La palabra correcta en español es VASCONES no vascos. Esta imagen no es exacta e ignora la existencia de otros dos pueblos que vivían en el Norte de España desde los tiempos prerromanos: Cántabros y astures, tal como se constata en las fuentes romanas. Joane--80.36.68.39 15:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Asturians and Cantabrians do not seem to have been independent of the rule of the Suevic kingdom, the Visigothic kingdom, the Byzantine empire, and the Frankish kingdoms in ca. 562 A.D. -- while the Basques were... AnonMoos 17:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe AnonMoos, maybe. Probably cantabros, as vascones, were also independents. But in any case, the area assigned to basques (Vascones, not Vascos, vascos is a more modern word) is exaggerated. Here you can see a more acurate distribution of Vascones area (and cantabros). --Fergon 20:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the A.D. 562 map in the Penguin Atlas of Medieval History by Colin McEvedy, the Basque area is shown about the same size (though with larger north-south width and smaller east-west width). In any case, the area wasn't necessarily exactly and only the area inhabited by Basques -- it was the area which was effectively free from direct Suevic, Visigothic, or Frankish overlordship, whose inhabitants happened to be predominantly Basques... AnonMoos 21:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference about whose inhabitants happened to be predominantly Basques? --Fergon 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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