File talk:Nighthawks by Edward Hopper 1942.jpg

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w:Nighthawks is being discussed as fair use at en:wp. Someone brought up that the copyright may not have existed or not been renewed. There is a 1993 copyright filed for a lithograph photo of it though. Are there online records we can check for copyright status? I emailed http://www.painting-frame.com/paintings-user/a-faq.aspx#11 that sells a version online to see if they have a licence from the estate or if it is public domain.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said at w:Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#File:Nighthawks.jpg, which you didn't bother linking, you have to look through the scans of the physical books, available at http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ .--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I just got an email back from http://www.painting-frame.com/ They state PD not renewed or no notice. Would you like their email to verify? info@painting-frame.com . I may upload the high resolution one they sent and see if it survives deletion review.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a legal time frame in the above scans to narrow the search? The AIC states they did exhibit it in 1942 so that would be the date of first publication. The author died May 15, 1967, and his wife 10 months later. The article doesn't list any children so there may be no heirs that recieved copyrights to renew. I will also send an email to a law firm that was concerned about a similar case. I may upload the high resolution image anyway and if the AIC whines to WMF then they can provide the year of renewal and/or registry number. If not then we can assume it was either never copyright registered or never renewed. I can't see the print company violating copyright as they do state that all of their prints are licensed or public domain.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I found the time frame, searched 1969 to 1971 in the books above, didn't find a renewal or original copyright for 1942, recieved more emails from experts that agree that it is public domain, and uploaded File:Nighthawks by Edward Hopper 1942.jpg. If someone wishes to find a copyright then feel free to do so and put it in deletion review with the registry number. I don't think Mr. and Mrs. Hopper had any heirs and she bequeathed works she still owned to the w:Whitney Museum of American Art. They may have recieved copyrights but I doubt it. If they wish to email WMF for a removal then they had better provide a renewal number as I will reach out to online friends to do a manual search in Washington or possibly find the $330 funding needed for copyright.gov to do one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That stands as good enough for me.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.artinstituteshop.org/item.aspx?productID=2828 The AIC wouldn't have a copyright and they seem to sell them. w:Whitney Museum of American Art would be the rights holder if anyone is and they are not mentioned on any of the AIC pages. I will wait patiently for any OTRS attempt to remove it and request a renewal number. Does anyone want to put in back in all the en:wp articles it was removed from after the fair use discussion over there?--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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