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• Map is missing the Amantes (ancient tribe); In a similar case to the Illyrian Atintani and the Ancient Greek Atintanes or Atintanians, the Amantes were ancient Greeks whilst the Amantini Illyrians, from Pannonia (See The Illyrian Atintani, the Epirotic Atintanes and the Roman Protectorate N. G. L. Hammond, The Journal of Roman Studies Vol. 79 (1989), pp. 11-25 "There were Illyrian Amantini in Pannonia and Greek Amantes in North Epirus")

This map cannot be based on Hammond and should not be used for illustration purposes, Hammond didn't publish such nonsenses that the Ardians lived south from the Lacus Labeatis, Antitanes are in fact Atintani, Enchelae never existed at a time when Dassaretae were around. The existence of Ilirii is just a modern theory and not proved at all that they existed. Where are the Labeates, the Penestae, the southern Atintanii, the Amantes. The Dassaretae were originated from the Epirote (NW Greek) Dexarii indeed, but then went through Illyrization, and they were considered Illyrians, not Greeks. What century is this at all? Roman Protectorate was set in 229BC, but didn't include Parthinia (along present-day Shkumbin), but covered Atintania (roughly present day Shushica valley), which I don't see reflected. Not talking about the incorrect location of the cities. Lissus was more to the south, Apollonia was near the Vjosa tributary and had nothing to do near the Devoll as it is depicted, Oricum was also further down, at the southwestern tip of the present Vlora Bay. Antipatreia is put at the location of Berat on this map, but the scholars debate about it, and some place Antipatreia in the Korça Basin. Pelium is also a question mark, not yet proved where it lied (Selca e Poshtme also competes). Pasztilla (talk) 08:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

The location of the Atintanes

Looking through the Atintanians article in Wikipedia, it seems more accurate to portray them in the northernmost part of Epirus, where it meets with Illyria (i.e south of the Greek colony of Apollonia, south of the Bylliones and a bit north of Antigonea). What are your thoughts? Deji Olajide1999 (talk) 01:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

A basic guideline in cartography is that maps should be consistent with what articles discuss. The Atintanes after a long dispute are described as either Illyrian or northwestern Greek. The map doesn't depict the ambiguity in research about them. This specific position they are displayed in the map is one of the possible locations. The first change in the map should be about how they are classified.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)