Category talk:Child sexual abuse offenders

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Category:Pedophiles[edit]

Same as Category:Child sexual abuse offenders. E4024 (talk) 12:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is already a discussion open at Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/12/Category:Child sexual abuse offenders in which the nominator says exactly the opposite. Technically speaking, not everyone diagnosed as a pedophile as committed sexual abuse, and not everyone that has committed child sexual abuse has been diagnosed as a pedophile. In practice, however, it seems likely that any images we have would be of people who are both. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As long as I've been researching this topic, which is now many years, there's alway been popular confusion about what "pedophile" means. Pedophilia is technically a paraphilia, a psychiatric condition driven by a sexual attraction to children (which latter term is rarely defined with any precision). It may or may not involve committing criminal offences against children which is predicated by use of the word "offender"- and the application of that term, by analogy with en:WP:BLP requires a conviction or a confession. We cannot say "He must have been", see, e.g. en:Lewis Carroll. I note we have almost no entries in Pedophiles beyond Child sexual abuse offenders, and that tells me this category is being applied correctly. There is a distinction, which we should maintain, and I support keeping the separation. Immoderate, non-neutral language as opposed to an academic approach, is not going to help the situation. Rodhullandemu (talk) 14:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rodhullandemu, I agree with "Immoderate, non-neutral language as opposed to an academic approach, is not going to help the situation." I used the word shit -at least openly- for the first time in Commons, for reasons I know. Sorry all the same. Now an admin question for you: I came to your TP to complain about ugly talk (personal attack towards me). You kept silent. Now my "shit" -not aimed at anybody- disturbs you. Why? --E4024 (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, you agreed with me; now we have one cat as I defended. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now we have one defensible cat, which can be supported by reliable evidence. AS for your complaint on my TP, I either missed it (sorry) or thought you could properly deal with it yourself. If it's still a problem, please remind me there with a link if possible. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Child sexual abuse offenders and Pedophiles are quite different groups defined by quite different criteria. Most of child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles and most of pedophiles are not offenders (no sexual orientation implies ofenses toward the preferred (attractiong) subjects/persons inherently). Although both those terms have a bit blurred defining border lines (there are many various definitions of "sexual offense" and various experts uses a bit different definitions of paraphilias), both items are certainly objective and relevant for educational purposes. --ŠJů (talk) 17:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


No action taken; rough consensus that they are different topics. Elli (talk) 01:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]