Category talk:Hambleton
Oppose Hambleton, Yorkshire is the clear primary topic here. "Primary topic" means the overwhelmingly most significant topic of the name, in any context. If it exists, its not something that varies depending on if you ask an English-speaking American or a French-speaking Algerian. Commons also does have a primary topic rule - Category:Cats, not Category:Cats (musical), is a prime example.
As for evidence as to why this Hambleton is the primary topic:
- Its at the base name for 7 of the 8 Wikipedias with articles on it. By comparision, only Hambleton, WV has more than 3 WPs with articles about this subject.
- Of the 5 settlements with this name: Hambleton, Lancs has a population of 2,600, Hambleton, Rutland - 140, Hambleton, N Yorks - 1,600, Hambleton, WV - 250. None of these have a high population and have no more than local significance.
- Given the low populations, its extremely unlikely that anyone outside the vicinity has heard of any of the settlements, whilst the district may be recognised more broadly (throughout the UK, possibly further afield)
- Page view stats of the en.wp articles, and usage of the term by the BBC (which refers to the district council more than any of the towns). both support these assertions.
Incidentally, the propose move will not fix the apparent flooding of this category - as the majority files are all of "Hambleton, North Yorkshire". To prevent that will require the category tree being fixed, so that this category is added as a parent to the relevant location cats. An--Nilfanion (talk)
Support There is no formal Commons rule that allows for priority or "primary topic" on Commons. Commons is a category system, not a lottery. We are only more tolerant and make a couple of exceptions for major capital cities for historical, practical and national symbol reasons. --Foroa (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)- As if an average person can tell the difference between Hambleton, Lancashire - Hambleton, Rutland - Hambleton, Selby - Hambleton End - Hambleton, West Virginia. Try to tell that to the postman when adressing letters. --Foroa (talk) 14:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Our category system can and does include the concept of a primary topic. It is hardly the case of a "couple exceptions" for capitals, the "practical reason" you mention is actually primary topic in the wrong form (its about benefiting users of our content, not ourselves). I could easily give dozens of examples from across the project where the primary topic rule is applied and gives the "right results". I'd point out that all those things you list are the secondary meanings, whilst the primary meaning can be distinguished.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
"Hambleton" is too insignificant to be eligible for a "Primary topic" clause. --Cwbm (commons) (talk) 21:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Using primary topics, like on google, makes in next to impossible to find other related items. It is already present in 4 different districts in the UK. What about Hambleton Hills, Hambleton Lake, Ontario - Hambleton Ontario - Hambleton West Virginia - Hambleton Maryland, Hambleton Island and Hambleton Point, US - - ... Again, we need a system, not a lottery. --Foroa (talk) 08:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- If the subject is not called plain "Hambleton" its not relevant - the Hills, Lakes and Island are examples of that (and WV is mentioned above already). Could you expand on what you mean by the "next to impossible to find other related items", bearing in mind that Wikipedia doesn't have that issue?--Nilfanion (talk) 09:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- This discussion has been dead for almost two months. I'm going to call this as rough consensus in favour of the proposal, as it does strike me that the supporters have the more stronger side of this argument. Courcelles (talk) 07:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)