Category talk:Traditions

What has Category:Simplifying to with Traditions?

@Verdy p: What has Category:Simplifying to with Traditions? Could you please explain or reverse your edits? JopkeB (talk) 04:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Simplified vs. Traditional. Traditional and Traditions are the same concept, just noun vs. adjective. It comes from the opposition of the two concepts in writing systems. the category Traditions already sorts various concepts with the adjective Traditional, and this is also the case in category "Simplifying" with "Simplication"/"Simplified". There's a clear opposition between these two categories (independantly of the noun/adjective grammatical type or grammatical plural forms: categories "Simplifying" and "Traditions" are equally weak concepts). This also applies to other language and scripts and cultural concepts than the Chinese language/script/orthographies, e.g. in Japanese, Arabic, English... The process of simplifying implies that there's a tradition (perceived as complex) which is being simplified. Simplifications of traditions does not mean standardisation, there may be multiple ways to simplify things. The same is true with "traditions" which are also competing each other (and possibly partly unified in some "simplication"). verdy_p (talk) 05:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Undoubtedly you are right. But this Commons category is not about language matters, but about culture, for the most part about images of cultural traditions. People looking for those kind of images are not interested in language matters as you describe above. Commons is not about language but about images, sound and video clips, and other media. Texts and thoughts as you wrote above are not applicable to Commons, but should be in other Wikimedia projects, like Wikipedia.

 Question Do you agree on removing the See also link to Category:Simplifying? JopkeB (talk) 08:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Verdy p: When there is no answer on May 15 2024, I'll consider this as a consent and I'll revert your action. --JopkeB (talk) 05:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Languages (and their orthographies) are all about culture. I don't understand your argument which is in fact a justification for keeping it. And even for changing "Simplifying" into the plural noun "Simplifications", just like "Traditions" (there's no good reason for naming categories with a limitating form of a verb) and the opposition between the two concepts will be even more obvious (and relevant as well for all the existing contents of both related categories. Your comment about "texts and thoughts in Commons" is also not relevant here, as categories are not about this, the "thoughts and texts" are only in this discussion and comes from your own thoughts. You're the only one commenting this, and I received "thanks" for those edits and classifications of languages. You'll easily see that the category for Languages (and subcategories) is an important subcategory of Culture (with similar classification subcategories, e.g. by country). verdy_p (talk) 06:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I think we cannot solve this issue in this way. Let's try another way. There is a possibility to add an explanation to a Template:Cat see also in the format of {{Catseealso|Category name (without "Category:")|for=Explanation}}. Could you tell in a few words what you would like to have as an "Explanation" in this See also here, and, if possible, at the same time explaining what the relation is between these two concepts? JopkeB (talk) 11:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I know this parameter, I added it to the template, and use it regularly, but for disambiguation or clarification of the listed target categories. You'll note that "Linguistic traditions" have a category, as well as "Linguistic simplifications", and they are subcategories of "Traditions" (as "Traditional culture"), and "Simplifying"/"Simplification" respectively. I have filled these two opposed categories accordingly. The concept of "Traditions" is very large in its own category, and very weak, with many interpretations of what is a "tradition" (this concept is very relative in terms of point of view, and changes over time as everything then finally becomes a tradition). verdy_p (talk) 05:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Please, this is Commons, where people should know instantly what a category is about and understand why links are in it. I still do not understand the connection between Traditions and Simplifying FOR FILES (photos and other images, audiovisual clips and so on), while I was hoping to get more understanding if I could read a short answer, in just a few words. This is not Wikipedia where you can broaden and explaining a subject and its connections as much as you want. Commons categories are not about language, terminology and words (unless they are represented in for instance images). In Commons connections should be direct and directly understandable, not with detours, nor far-fetched (that's how it comes across to me). JopkeB (talk) 14:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)