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Administrators as of April 2008[+/-]

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32X, de, en-2, hsb-1, ru-1 555 pt, en-1, es-1, fr-1, gl-1 ABach, pl, en-2 ABF de, en-2, la-1, fr-1 Adambro, en, fr-1 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, is, en-3, da-1 Aka, de, en-3 Ala z, pl, en-2, ru-1 ALE!, de, en-3, es-3, fr-1 Alhen, es, en-2 Aliman5040, es, fr-4, de-2, en-1, it-1 Alison, en, ga-3, fr-2, gd-1 Alno, fr, en-3, es-2, pt-1 Anathema, de, en-2 AndreasPraefcke, de, en-3, fr-1 Angr, en, de-4, fr-2, ga-2, la-2, cy-1 Anna, es, en-2 Anonymous Dissident, en, de-1, fr-1, id-1, ja-1 Anthere, fr, en-3 (steward) Arnomane, de, en-2, fr-1 (bureaucrat) Arria Belli, en, es, fr-4, ca-2, it-2, pt-1, ru-1 Aude, en, es-2, ar-1 Avatar, de, en-2, fr-1 Avraham, en, he-1, yi-1 Axxgreazz, es, en-2 Badseed, el, en-3, it-1 BanyanTree, en, ja-2 Bapti, fr, en-3, de-2 Barcex, es, en-2, fr-1 Bastique, en, fr-3, es-2, la-2, ga-1 (bureaucrat, steward, check user) Bayo, fr, en-1, es-1 Bdk, de, en-2 Bogdan, ro, en-3, it-3, fr-2 Boricuaeddie, en, es, fr-1 BounceY2K, it, en-4, de-1 Brian0918, en, es-1, ar-1 Bryan, 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(bureaucrat) EVula, en Fang Aili, en, de-1, zh-1 Fanghong, zh, en-2, fr-1 Fb78, de, en-4, fr-2, it-1 Filnik, it, en-3, de-2 Finnrind, no, nn-3, en-3, da-2, sv-2, de-1 Fir0002, en Flominator, de, als, en-3 Florent Pécassou, fr, en-2, es-1 FrancoGG, es, en-3 Franz Xaver, de, en-3, es-1, nl-1 Fred J, sv, en-3, de-2 (bureaucrat) Geni, en GeorgHH, de, en-1 GerardM, nl, en-3 Giggy, en, fr-1, ro-1 Gizmo II, es, en-3, fr-2, ru-1 Gnangarra, en Golbez, en, ja-2 Greudin, fr, en-2, de-1 Gryffindor, en, fr-2, ja-2 guillom, fr, en-3, de-1 (steward) Herbythyme, en, fr-1 (check user) Herr Kriss, pl, en-2 Howcheng, en, ja-2 ignis, ja, en-2, fr-1, de-1 Infrogmation, en, es-1 Jacoplane, nl, en, fr-2, de-1 Jastrow, fr, en-3, de-1, it-1 Jayvdb, en Jcornelius, de, lt-3, en-2, la-2, fr-1 James F., en JeremyA, en Jkelly, en, fr-2 Joergens.mi, de, en-3 Jossifresco, es, en-3, he-2, fr-1, it-1 Julo, pl, en-2, de-1, ru-1 Jusjih, zh, en-3, fr-1 (bureaucrat, steward) Kameraad Pjotr, nl, en-3, de-2, fr-2, la-2, grc-2 Kaveh, fa, en-3, de-1, fr-1 Kelly Martin, en, de-1 Kjetil r, no, en-3, eo-2, de-1 Klemen Kocjancic, sl, en-3, de-2, hr-1, bs-1 Kneiphof, ru, en-2, nl-2, fr-1 Kordas, es, en-2 Korrigan, fr, en-3, de-1, ht-1 Krimpet, en, es-1, ase-1 Kylu, en, de-2, es-3, fr-3, it-1, ja-1, pt-2, si-1, zh-1 Lar, en, de-1 (bureaucrat, check user, steward, oversight) Leafnode, pl, en-3, ja-2, de-1 LERK, ja, en-2, ko-2, ko-han-3, de-1, es-1, fr-1 Lennert B, de, en-4, fr-2, hu-1 Lestath, pl, en-2, la-1 Lmbuga, es, gl, pt-3, en-1 (bureaucrat) Loco085, es, en-3, pt-2, de-1 Lumijaguaari, fi, en-3, sv-2, pt-1, fr-1, es-1, it-1, uk-1 Lupo, de, en-3, fr-2, es-1, it-1 LX, sv, en-4 Magnus Manske, de, en-2 Maire, pl, en-4, de-2, fr-2, ru-1 Majorly, en, de-1, fr-1 Manecke, de, bar-4, en-3, fr-3, ru-3, als-2, nl-2, es-1, ka-1, pt-1 Marcus Cyron, de, en-1 Matilda, en Matt314, de, en-3, fr-2, es-1, zh-1 Maxim, ru, en-3, fr-2 Maximaximax, ru, en-2 Mdd4696, en, es-1 MECU, en MesserWoland, pl, en-3 MichaelMaggs, en, 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zh, fr-2, ja-1 Rastrojo, es, en-3, fr-2, eo-1 Raul654, en, es-1 Raymond, de, en-3, nl-1 (oversight) RedCoat, en, es-4, fr-2, it-1 Remember the dot, en, es-3, pt-1 Riana, en, bn-2, hi-1 Richie, de, en-3, fr-2 Rimshot, de, en-4, fr-2, it-1 Rlevse, en, de-1 Rocket000, en, es-1 Rüdiger Wölk, de, en-2 S1, de, ru, en-2 Samulili, fi, en-3, sv-3, fr-2, no-2, de-2, es-1, it-1, da-1, et-1, ru-1 Sanbec, es, en-1, fr-1 Sandstein, als, de, en-4, fr-3, it-1 SB Johnny, en, de-2, fr-2, es-1 Shizhao, zh, en-1, ru-1 (steward) Siebrand, nl, en-3, fr-1, de-1 Slomox, de, en-2 Spangineer, en, es-3, pt-1 Spiritia, bg, en-3, ru-2, de-1 Stan Shebs, en, de-1 Steinninn, is, en-3, de-2 Svdmolen, nl, en-3 Szczepan1990, pl, en-2 Szwedzki, pl, en-1, de-1 Tarawneh, en, ar, de-1 Thuresson, sv, en-3, no-2 Tom, en, es-1 TOR, pl, en-3, de-1 tsca, pl, en, da Väsk, sv, en-2, da-1, fr-1 Videmus Omnia, en, tl-1 VIGNERON, fr, de-2, en-2, zh-1 WarX, pl, en-3, de-1 White Cat, en, tr-4, ja-1 WilyD, en, fr-1 WJBscribe, en, fr-3, de-1 Wsiegmund, en, fr-1, es-1 Xhienne, fr, en-3 Yann, fr, en-3, hi-2, gu-1 (steward) Yonatanh, en, he, es-1 Yug, fr, en-2, zh-2 Yuval Y, he, en-3 Zirland, cs, pl-3, en-3, sk-2, eo-2 (steward) Zscout370, en, be-1, es-1, ja-1, ru-1 Zzyzx11, en, es-1, fr-1

Commons:Administrators lists all essential information about Wikimedia Commons administrators and contains as well the votes on requests for adminship, bureaucrat, checkuser and oversight rights. Bot status requests get handled here too.

If you want to request administrator help, please post at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard.

Contents 1 What are administrators? 2 What is expected from an administrator? 3 Suggestions for administrators 3.1 ...if you speak languages other than English 4 Requests for adminship 5 How to make a request 5.1 Adminship 5.2 Checkuser 5.3 Bot flags 5.4 Next steps 6 Candidates 7 Requests for Adminship 7.1 Ahonc 7.1.1 Votes 7.1.2 Comments 7.2 Spacebirdy 7.2.1 Votes 7.2.2 Comments 7.3 Lycaon 7.3.1 Votes 7.3.2 Comments 8 Requests for Bureaucratship 9 Requests for CheckUser 10 Request for Oversight Rights 11 Requests for Bot Flags 11.1 File Upload Bot (Edward) 11.1.1 Discussion 11.2 Legobot 11.2.1 Discussion 11.3 SpadeBot 11.3.1 Discussion 11.4 File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske)- removing of bot flag requested 11.4.1 Discussion 11.4.2 Proposal regarding anonymity 12 Archive

[edit] What are administrators?

Administrator access is granted to known and trusted members of the community who are familiar with the policies of Wikimedia Commons. Adminship status on Commons is not an honor for outstanding content contributors but just an additional tool for people that show that they want to clean up. Experience shows that outstanding content contributors reduce their valuable contributions because of maintenance overhead after they become admins and this is what we want least. So please contribute your best skills and consider that there are many ways of getting community credit besides being an admin (if you're good at clean up go ahead, if you contribute breathtaking own photographs consider not standing). Administrator access is also not meant to imply editorial authority on the project. An administrator is simply a trusted user who can:

• protect and unprotect pages
• delete and undelete pages
• delete images and other uploaded files
• block and unblock users
• edit the interface and other protected pages.

Bureaucrats also have the abilities to:

• make other users administrators
• change users' names (see Commons:Changing username)
• flag and unflag bot accounts

Administrators with checkuser rights can additionally check if a user used more than one account (sock puppets).

[edit] What is expected from an administrator?

You can request adminship on the Commons if you meet the following criteria:

• You are not completely new to Wikimedia projects. You have been an editor for at least 2 months and you understand and agree with the goals of the project.
• You have a user page on Commons and are a Commons contributor with 200 edits (uploads or texts) minimum, and should be interested in helping the Wikimedia Commons community. People may have their own personal standards that require more than this.
• You agree to follow relevant policies and respect consensus of Commons' users.
• Activity. As with the Meta policy, inactive administrators may have their access removed. On Commons, any sysop with less than 5 admin actions in the last six months is considered inactive and may be de-admined. Inactive administrators may re-apply through the regular process. Tool for checking administrators activity. Full details on de-adminship can be found on Commons:Administrators/De-adminship.

[edit] Suggestions for administrators

• Subscribing to the commons-l mailinglist is useful if you want to know what's going on. You might also be interested in browsing through its archive.
• Add Babel info on your user page, so other users will know languages you speak or understand.
• Read Commons:Deletion guidelines and the top section of Commons:Deletion requests.
• Install MediaWiki:Quick-delete.js, so that you can quickly tag images with no source / license templates and notify the uploader with one click. (Recommended: it's quite useful)
• Put these pages on your watchlist: Commons:Help desk, Commons talk:Licensing, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard and its subsections: Vandalism, Attention, User problems, Blocks & protections and Disputes.
  • Even if you are not active, there might be a time when your knowledge is important! Especially if you speak other languages than English.
• Read Commons:Guide to adminship.

[edit] ...if you speak languages other than English

• Please participate at the Village pump in your language. This is one of the few places users can ask for help in their own language. If there is a version of Commons:Help desk in your language, please consider helping out there as well.
• Please at least take a look at Commons:Help page maintenance, a page for coordinating the translation of Commons pages to other languages.

[edit] Requests for adminship

• Nominations usually remain for seven days, for votes and comments. Admin status will be granted by a majority of at least 75% and a minimum of 4 support votes. In this case, the request should be referred to a bureaucrat such that it can be made to happen.
• Note that this page is used for requesting other permissions, too. For example, before running a robot, you can request a bot flag here.
• Previous requests are listed in the /Archive.

[edit] How to make a request

[edit] Adminship

Use the box below, replacing username with your username:

See: Commons:List of administrators, Commons:List of bureaucrats

[edit] Checkuser

Use the box below, replacing username with your username:

See: Commons:List of checkusers

[edit] Bot flags

Use the box below, replacing botname with your bot's username:

See Commons:Bots/Requests for flags for the whole process.

[edit] Next steps

• After creating the subpage, list it on Requests and votes, at the top of the section.
• If someone else nominated you, rather than you nominating yourself, please "accept" the nomination by stating "I accept" or something similar, and signing below the nomination itself. This puts you on record as accepting, and the timestamp of the acceptance is how we determine when the nom started (so we don't close early by mistake)

[edit] Candidates

Purge the cache Use the edit link below to edit the transcluded page.

[edit] Requests for Adminship

[edit] Ahonc

Vote

Links for Ahonc: Ahonc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · blocklog)

I have had an account on Commons for the last 2 years. I am an administrator of Ukrainian Wiktionary, Ukrainian Wikibooks and Betawiki. I am also patroller of Ukrainain and Russian Wikipedias.

I'd nominate a lot of images for deletion and found duplicates. With adnmin status I will also remove duplicates, watch RC, etc. --Ahonc (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

•  Support my idea! abf /talk to me/ 19:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support. Trustworthy and hard working. giggy _(:O) 00:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• 支持. <cliche>I thought you were one already</cliche>. Clueful and hard-working user. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 10:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• A favor Rastrojo _(D•ES) 12:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Падтрымліваю But please don't repeat old mistakes. --EugeneZelenko 14:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

[edit] Spacebirdy

Vote

Links for Spacebirdy: Spacebirdy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · blocklog)

I have been fortunate enough to work with this user quite a lot over the past six months or so in various aspects of the project's work. I have asked her a time or two if she would allow me to nominate her here & up until now she has declined (certainly not someone who is after trophies). However she is someone with a long string of rights to her name - she has a number of sysop rights, 'crat & checkuser on other wikis as well as being an active steward. I have a great respect for her competence - she is extremely quick and responsive - above that she is one of the nicest Wikimedians I know, a remarkable feat for someone as busy as she is.

For some time now she has been watching Commons RC & dealing with vandalism & tagging "out of scope"/test pages for deletion. She would admit that licensing is not her strong point but she is someone who is happy to seek help if she needs it and there is much to do here anyway. She has a very good set of languages. To me a highly trusted, hard working & competent Wikimedian - I believe she would be a real asset to the Commons admin team & I hope others will agree. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• Acceptance - thank You very much, Herby, also for Your kind words, --birdy geimfyglið _{(:> )=|} ∇ 09:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Samþykkt! because I have always been delighted to see it on any requests I have made :) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support! (No foreign language, sorry :() for keeping User:Giggy/CatWatch busy! giggy _(:O) 10:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• A favor A no-brainer. Duh. Can I vote again? Patrícia ^msg 10:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Voor Sure! -- Lycaon 10:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• За Of course.--Ahonc (talk) 10:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support Absolutely!! And agree with Herby's glowing nom. FloNight♥♥♥ 10:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• For Samtykker definitivt til denne nominasjonen. Finn Rindahl 11:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Strong  Support Majorly (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support I've seen this user in action before, and belives she can do the job --Kanonkas_(talk) 14:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support EugeneZelenko 14:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support. WjBscribe 15:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support obviously. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 16:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Support →Christian.И 16:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• mega- Support! One of the best users we have. abf /talk to me/ 18:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Samþykkt Because I wanted to find a reason to use the Icelandic support template. Bastique ^demandez 18:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
•  omg yes Cbrown1023 talk 20:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Samþykkt as per nom and as per her hard&good work on many wikis - Badseed ^talk 02:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
•  Fo sho. Lewis Collard! (hai thar, wut u doin) 10:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• A favor Rastrojo _(D•ES) 12:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC) :)

[edit] Comments

Any chance you could change the message on your Commons user talk page not to discourage use of it? I believe that Commons users should not be left with the choice of revealing their IP address or registering at another project to contact a Commons administrator about a Commons-related matter. —LX (talk, contribs) 12:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, You are right and I know that, I have the enotify function turned on, and knew I had to change that here now too (but on the other hand the more "please don't leave messages here" notes I set the more messages I get ;o) ) I do not have much time today, so I just changed the wording for now, I might write some different header as I did on Meta later today, tonight or in the next days, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _{(:> )=|} ∇ 12:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Spacebirdy, you're "dancing on a lot of weddings" - 9 times SysOP, 4 times Crat, 1 time CU, OS and Import-Op in different projects. Do you really think, you can handle a 10th SysOp-ship? Marcus Cyron 13:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Marcus Cyron, as You might have noticed also lots of those projects where I am sysop are not only very small but very inactive, I was asked or asked to be sysop on those by members of those projects or because I am interested in the language myself just to keep an eye on the recent changes or to help out in case of technical problems. On fo.wikt I mainly help watching the rc, and helping with globalizing the interface (I am also active on betawiki:). Also on af.wikt I have been asked to help out. I have been also sysop on other small projects, ie. oc.wikt (the community asked me to help out), scn.wikt (the crat asked me for technical assitance), fo.wikisource...

OS I don't have anywhere, btw [1].

The import flag I have on is.wikt because I am mainly active there and while import from is.wikipedia is activated it sometimes happens to import from an other wiktionary.

Note that on the Spanish projects it is usual to be made crat also when being made sysop.

So, yes, I think I can handle it, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _{(:> )=|} ∇ 13:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for Bureaucratship

None currently

[edit] Requests for CheckUser

Please note that for a request to succeed in this section a minimum of 25 support votes and an 80% positive vote are required in accordance with Meta policy. Note also that in accordance with recent practice, requests for CheckUser will run for 2 weeks.

None currently

[edit] Request for Oversight Rights

Page revisions can be Oversighted, so that they no longer appear in page history, and can only be restored by developers, although they can be seen in source form by those with the oversight permission while they remain in the oversight log. The right is used to remove material that may give rise to legal challenges or to remove offensive or attack based material from view, especially when concerning a person's real life identity, full name, address, telephone number etc. Note: As with Checkuser, a wiki must have at least 2 "Oversighters" for accountability and to serve as checks and balances. 25 votes in support, and at least 80% positive votes overall are required to grant the right. Note also that in accordance with recent practice, requests for Oversight will run for 2 weeks.

None currently

[edit] Requests for Bot Flags

[edit] File Upload Bot (Edward)

Operator: edward

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): Perl

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): every few days

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y

Functions: Upload photographs of railway stations

[edit] Discussion

Could you please use Template:Information and language tags for uploaded images? Will be also good idea to follow regular section names and license tags placement (as in manual upload).

Also will be good idea to geocode images (source website looks provoding this information).

EugeneZelenko 15:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Good suggestions. I will make these changes. edward 16:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

See Image:Fishguard Harbour railway station in 2002.jpg for a sample. edward 09:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legobot

Operator: Legoktm

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic

Programming Language(s): Python using Pywikipedia

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Whenever I am online

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y

Functions: Welcomes new users with {{welcome}}

[edit] Discussion

• User:SieBot and other bots are already doing said task. Will this bot also update the welcome log? 哦，是吗？(висчвын) 22:49, 07 May 2008 (GMT)

This bot will also update the log. I noticed even though we have multiple other bots, not all users are being welcomed. Legoktm ^(talk) 22:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Please make a test run at low rate, to check everything's ok. Patrícia ^msg 18:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SpadeBot

Operator: Alex Spade

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic (the most of edits). Manually Assisted (some earliest edits in the task)

Programming Language(s): AWB

Edit period(s): one time run

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Yes

Functions: Tag/Retag, Cat/Recat, Link/Relink
First tasks are

• (1) Retagging of images with {{Vector-Images.com}} from Category:VI.com images (tag isn't updated)
• (2) Retagging of some images with {{PD-Russia}} by {{PD-Old-70}}, {{PD-Russia-2008}} and {{PD-RusEmpire}}.

Alex Spade 19:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

How list of files for re-tagging will be prepared? What review process will look like? --EugeneZelenko 15:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• 1. The making of first list for work with Category:VI.com images (tag isn't updated) is described here. Similar lists will be made for some other countries, if appropriate PD-exempt lic.tags are existing, for example Ukraine (template:PD-UA-exempt).
  2. For work with obsolete {{PD-Russia}}, I'm planning to create lists by author (by author category) or by time. For example, I've planed to start with work Сергей Михайлович Прокудин-Горский, which can be retagged as {{PD-RusEmpire}}.
• About review process. What do you mean? Review of images for retag/recat/relink or review after edits? Alex Spade 16:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I think will be good idea to review images before re-tagging. --EugeneZelenko 14:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
    • What characteristic of images and/or their descriptions would you like to be reviewed manually? Alex Spade 07:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I just remember cases when PD-Soviet was blindly replaces with PD-Russia on images definitely made after 1954. --EugeneZelenko 14:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Oh, I've seen. Yes, I remeber such cases too and a great number of images which was made after 1946(1942) (smb fogot to take into account US-law). But I will working by another way, I don't want to retag all images with {{PD-Russia}} automatically, I want to retag some groups of them, if it's possible. Alex Spade 16:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Please make a test run at low rate, to check everything's ok. Patrícia ^msg 18:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske)- removing of bot flag requested

Operator: User:Magnus Manske

I request to remove the rights for this bot to upload images from Wikipedias. It is often used to upload images that are copyvios, fair use images or have doubtful or not accepted licensed to Commons. --ALE! ¿…? 10:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

For a list of problems with this bot, please read User talk:File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske). --ALE! ¿…? 11:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

For a list of good contributions of this bot, please see its contribution page or its gallery page. --Magnus Manske 12:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

1. The bot (which is not really a bot) does check for license tags in the original wikipedia. So, something on en.wikipedia tagged as "fair use" (or not tagged at all) can't be uploaded through the bot. It needs to have a license tag compatible with commons. That means that (presumably) at least two people thought it was OK - the one who copied it to Commons, and the guy who tagged it as OK in the first place. The is one human more than for most other uploads we get.
2. The bot is also used for similar, semi-automated transfers from flickr. As for the wikipedia transfer, it checks the license automatically, and only transfers appropriate CC-licensed images. Did you check if maybe the perceived problem stems not from wikipedia, but from flickr images?
3. As my bot talk page clearly states, if you see a suspicious image uploaded by my bot, just delete it. There's no need to warn it or talk to it ;-)
4. Besides the bot's "user contributions", its uploads from wikipedia also automatically end up in a subcategory Category:Files moved to Commons requiring review - another quick and easy way to check for bad images.
5. If that's all as great as I say, it should show up in some statistic. So I took a look at the bot data:
   • The talk page lists ~90 "warnings" for the last ~30 days. That's ~3 bad images/day (not counting those that were silently deleted).
   • The contributions page for the last 2000 edits (=uploads) goes back less than 8 days. That's >250 images/day.

So, that's (by very rough estimate) more than 80 good images per bad one. In my book, that counts as a successful operation...

I hope that clears things up a bit. --Magnus Manske 11:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Based on my experience with this bot, I prefer to keep it without a bot flag to make human overlook coverage wider. Error rate too high on my opinion: too much derivative works, freedom of panorama violations from Flickr; transfers from projects where people doesn't care about copyrights too much. Also will be good idea to keep a log of upload requesters. --EugeneZelenko 14:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Also the original description page on the source wikis usually get deleted so quickly that a check of the corectness of the license is impossible. --ALE! ¿…? 14:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is a problem with the English Wikipedia...files that are PD-US get transferred here and then quickly deleted there, even though there's supposed to be a wait time. This means valuable files that can be hosted just fine over there get hosted nowhere, because Commons deletes them for not being PD in country of origin. That problem, however, is not just specific to this bot. -N 17:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. The bot is used by people to very quickly violate copyright, by for example transferring files from the English Wikipedia (such as WWII photos) that are not PD in country of origin, or otherwise not allowed. -N 17:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I too would prefer to keep this account enabled to upload, but without the bot flag set, so that humans have a better chance to review what is done. Perhaps some pushback to en:wp about not deleting things so fast is in order too. ++Lar: t/c 18:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

•  Comment This account does not have a bot flag, just "bot" in the name. Technically, this discussion should not be made here because there is no flag for a bureaucrat to remove. I suggest COM:AN. Patrícia ^msg 17:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
• We do sometimes discuss nonbot bots (things that don't necessarily have the bot flag) here, it's not as rigid as how the WP:BAG does things... so it's cool that discussion is here in my view. ++Lar: t/c 18:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
• Agree; discussion can remain here. Perhaps a pointer from there to here though. If there are problems with images being deleted too fast on enwiki (or other projects) then that's a) that project's problem and b) should be dealt with not by disabling this bot, but rather by educating the admins who are causing the problems. Part of the problem is quick deletions, but apparently there's a lack of understanding of the copyright issues, as pointed out by N. It doesn't look to me like there's any reason to disable the bot. Keep in mind that uploads are categorized per-wiki for easy review. If people aren't doing that, the bot's not to blame. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 19:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hence the "technically" ;), so fine by me then too. I'd like to point out that this is a recurring issue [2] and that the account has been used for vandalism [3] [4]. This is a problem. I want to pour loads of "assume good faith" on the users that eventually use this bot to upload files but, as someone said before, File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske) basically acts like a public account. I am aware that the uploaded files all go into special categories that can be scanned for bad uploads, etc etc, but the users that are (ab)using the account to upload copyvios or badly sourced material cannot be held responsible: if they don't put their names on a special field that is not required to be filled in, we won't know who transwikied the media. We could expect some control from the admins that delete the media on the originating wikis (usually a speedy deletion because the "file is already in Commons") but let's be realistic, many times that simply doesn't happen. So it's a wacky system. Yes, more "good" files than "bad" ones are uploaded, but personally I still don't feel comfortable in letting this account upload more files under the present conditions. I beg Magnus to address this issue with another perspective than "it uploads more "good" files than "bad" ones"; some sort of log of who is using this account, as suggested by Eugene, is a minimum requirement, imho, and I'd be happy with a rather low daily upload limit (some hundreds of images, perhaps something between 200 and 500), to allow better uploading review. Patrícia ^msg 22:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I think you raise a lot of valid concerns. But rather than asking for the upload privs of this account to be taken away, let's first ask Magnus (an exceedingly clever chap, everyone knows that) to see if there are things that can be done to address the concerns. For one, why not force use of a valid wiki account name somehow rather than making the name of the uploader be optional? Any way to do that? For another, what about putting a banner on the original image's description on the original wiki asking that it not be deleted until ___ (where maybe ___ is "the image has been reviewed as OK on commons which you can check by clicking on this link", or something???) There are others too, let's make a list... ++Lar: t/c 23:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
      • There is currently no way for TS tools to verify identities, so giving a username is not actually secure. But I'd support making it a required field, and verifying that the account exists on Commons and(?)/or(?) on the "other" wiki. This would still allow "impersonation" of a sort, but it's better than nothing. We could perhaps also require the specified username to be autoconfirmed. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 06:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
        • Yes, per policy, TS tools can't ask for passwords, so there is no way to verify who a person is. But making a required field and validating that it's a legitimate ID seems a good idea. ++Lar: t/c 12:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
          • I think algorithm from Bryan's User:Flickr upload bot could be used. It require edit from Commons account before uploading. --EugeneZelenko 14:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem isn't this tool. The problem are bad licenses on the WP language versions from where images get uploaded. You can mis-use any tool. --Matthiasb 15:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

At NL.wiki, there is a lot of human review on the uploads done by this bot. The people who delete the local images, check what's going on at Commons. I use this tool a lot. If I make a mistake, I normally find a note at my local NL talkpage, from the moderator who checked if the local image could really be deleted. More than half of my uploads are easy to recognize, because they have an edit from my account within a few minutes after uploading, for example to add a category. Please keep this tool enabled, because disabling would discourage a lot of goodwilling people to transfer local images to Commons. GijsvdL 00:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

It is true that any tool can be misused, but to make it work only for someone with a Commons username, as it was required before, wouln't hurt anyone and would avoid abuse. CommonsHelper has worked like that in the past - it's not even a matter of if it's possible to do so, because it is. Patrícia ^msg 21:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The Bot is a very helpful tool to establish a minimum correctness of transfers. If other projects' admins are not checking their transfers before deleting the local copy it's their problem, we (=Magnus) can cope with that only to a limited extent. Regards, Code·is·poetry 16:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not their problem. It becomes a problem to Commons, because the files end up here, and the admins on other projects won't really have to care much about it. I'd be happy to see CommonsHelper reverted to the version where a valid Commons username was required to proceed with the upload, thus giving responsability to the user making the transfer. But well, as I said somewhere above, there is no bot flag to remove, so as far as I'm concerned, we can archive this discussion. Magnus does a wonderful job with coming up with all sorts of great tools and ideas, I just wish we could do something about this tool in particular to make everybody happy. Patrícia ^msg 12:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Why should it be our problem? We delete insufficiently described files. They want to use it, they have to assure that it is valid on commons. Code·is·poetry 12:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

GijsvdL: Unfortunately, Commons admins are unable to see the previous file history after transwiking the image to Commons. It would be so helpful if Commons admins could have read-only access to deleted media in other wikis, but that's a whole different story. So, no, if you don't put a username, we won't know who did the transfer. I agree that prohibiting the bot to operate is not the way to go.

Codeispoetry: True, you have a very good point there. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop misuse of the tool, we still have to clean after it. As Matthiasb pointed out, any tool can be misused, but most of them allow accountability of who is misusing. But well, we clean, that's what we're here for. Patrícia ^msg 14:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if it's possibly to separate the various tools which use this account so each one has it's own account. That might give us a better idea of where the problem lies, and if blocking is ever necessary, it'd limit the collateral to other users of only one tool. Also, it'd clarify that the uploads are actually not Magnus'. Magnus: comments? – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 16:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

On my point of view is the only problem with Magnus' bot, that his bot misses the original description and sources when the original language isn't english. Don't leave a human job to a bot. --Herrick 08:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You missed other problem: people who request upload via bot are not accountable for their actions. And this issue should be addressed. --EugeneZelenko 14:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

But if their description and source date are correct and this bot miss them, it's Magnus failure. --Herrick 07:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal regarding anonymity

This is something I have brought up before elsewhere. I have seen sockpuppets, vandals, and just lazy people upload images via this service. I am far less concerned about the automatic transfer of images than I am about the anonymity. It is absolutely essential that this bot mark who allowed the transfer. A system like that of User:Flickr upload bot would be great (e.g., must first create page; 1-2 images per day for non-autoconfirmed; 6-8 for autoconfirmed; infinite for admins and trusted users - presumably added to a database after requesting such status)

As for the bot status, I would agree the status ought to be removed so that its uploads show up on the recent changes/files list. Patstuart (talk) 06:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The account doesn't have a bot flag... I think that what you are proposing (and with which I fully agree) has been referred above, but mildy ignored by Magnus (at least he hasn't given more feedback, which is a pity). I'm not sure if there's much more to discuss. Sorry if I sound bitter. Patrícia ^msg 09:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I'm not so sure there isn't. We can of course tell Magnus to either improve the bot, or it won't be used at all. This is not terribly radical: unauthorized bots are against policy to begin with, and any human with such a history of vandalism and copyright violations would probably be blocked. Patstuart (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

This is not the English Wikipedia, bots are allowed to run here unauthorized. -- Bryan (talk to me) 14:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Links to old Requests and votes are archived to Commons:Administrators/Archive.