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Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought:

• Add missing SDC depict statements on media files (File namespace)
• Add missing Wikidata Infobox template to Category pages (Category namespace)

Automatic or manually assisted: Automatically, but monitored

Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Intermittently

Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 8 edits per minute

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): Y

Programming language(s): Pywikibot, Python scripts are on GitHub:

• https://github.com/geertivp/Pywikibot/blob/main/add_image_from_sdc.py
• https://github.com/geertivp/Pywikibot/blob/main/copy_label.py

Test runs are here.

Geert Van Pamel (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

• Could you please elaborate how `depicts` is filled? For example, File:Novosibirsk Regional Museum at night 2.jpg should depict building and condition of shoot (night shoot) should be qualifier. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  The image depicts a "night view of the Royal museum", expressed as SDC depicts (P180) nighttime view (Q28333482) with qualifier of (P642) City Trade House (Q19908752), based upon and generated by the original Wikidata statement Q19908752#P3451 City Trade House (Q19908752) nighttime view (P3451) (M19171168). By doing so, both the SDC depict statement in Wikimedia Commons and the Wikidata statement are describing the same fact.

  What qualifier would you use instead? Can you please elaborate more about the exact statement that you would create? Thanks. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe you would like to see: depicts (P180) City Trade House (Q19908752) with qualifier depicted format (P7984) nighttime view (Q28333482)? Please give your point of view/preferences. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  It makes sense to have broader discussion on matter of qualifiers. May be bot should be limited just for subjects for now? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Geertivp:  ? --Krd 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Or we might generate two statements without qualifiers:

  depicts (P180) City Trade House (Q19908752)

  depicted format (P7984) nighttime view (Q28333482) Geert Van Pamel (talk) 19:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  But here we have the problem that depicted format (P7984) may not be used as a qualifier: d:Property:P7984#P2302 => property scope constraint (Q53869507) as main value (Q54828448). In addition to that it can only be used with work of art (Q838948) entities and requires item-requires-statement constraint (Q21503247) genre (P136), which is in general not the case in this suggested usage. Which other qualifier property could be used instead? Geert Van Pamel (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I cannot follow. Please advise. --Krd 05:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Geertivp:  ? Krd 07:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  In my previous reply I concluded that depicted format (P7984), because of its defined constraints, can't be used as a qualifier and only in some specific domains as work of art (Q838948). So we would need another more generic (currently not existing) property that could be used as a qualifier with a generic meaning of "type of representation", e.g. nighttime view (Q28333482) in the above example. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  What does this mean regarding this request, what should be the conclusion? Krd 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  We would need a new property "type of representation", that could be added as a qualifier to the Depict statements in Wikimedia Commons SDC for all images that are registered in Wikidata, and don't have a image (P18) property in Wikidata. Geert Van Pamel (talk) 07:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  Are you going to take care of property creation? Krd 09:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  See d:wikidata:property proposal/Type of representation Geert Van Pamel (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. Please advise when the discussion is closed. Krd 07:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)