Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives November 22 2021

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Consensual review[edit]

File:Haydarpasa,_Istanbul_(P1100163).jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Haydarpasa Terminal, Istanbul, during construction --MB-one 14:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality. --Milseburg 17:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I am sorry, but I think this image is too soft for QI. --Augustgeyler 23:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support Sharp enough, IMO. -- Ikan Kekek 07:55, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support Somewhat soft, but good enough to be printed to A4 size or even larger. --Smial 12:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support--Commonists 21:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Total: 4 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --Augustgeyler 22:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

File:Tiburón_azul_(Prionace_glauca),_canal_Fayal-Pico,_islas_Azores,_Portugal,_2020-07-27,_DD_23.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Blue shark (Prionace glauca), Faial-Pico Channel, Azores Islands, Portugal. --Poco a poco 07:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Overall unsharp, noisy and undetailed -- Alvesgaspar 11:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment Agree that other images are better, but after some improvements I believe that it's over the bar --Poco a poco 17:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Poor quality, bad POV. --Kallerna 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 21:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

File:Tiburón_azul_(Prionace_glauca),_canal_Fayal-Pico,_islas_Azores,_Portugal,_2020-07-27,_DD_22.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Blue shark (Prionace glauca), Faial-Pico Channel, Azores Islands, Portugal. --Poco a poco 07:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality. --Ermell 10:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I disagree, image quality is quite poor when compared with the other pictures of the series, and far from our QI standards. Alvesgaspar 11:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment "Far from our QI standards"? I hope you don't expect the same standard in underwater photography like for a studio image. I've uploaded a new version. Poco a poco 17:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment No, I don't. I'm well aware of the difficulties caused by the lack of natural light, which decreases exponentially with depth, the way light becomes more blue with depth (because it is the last to be absorbed), the turbidity of water and the motion of the animals. Still, there must be a threshold of quality below which candidates to QI should not fall. Browsing through the gallery of QIs of fish, where the vast majority was taken by you, it is clear that it is possible to get much better pictures than the present one. Maybe conditions were not favorable. So what? Maybe no QI is possible in such situation. Why do you continue to submit so many photos of the same subject with the same weaknesses?-- Alvesgaspar 20:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
    This assessment along with many others is just wrong, you are still applying the same standards from underwater photography like to everything else. Of course that conditions could be in most of the cases better: more clear water, shallow depth, non or slow moving subject, strong sun providing better visibility. All those conditions are given seldom in the Atlantic Ocean and if in 90% of the occasions it isn't the case, at the latest then you have to understand that standards are not comparable. It's like saying that QIs are only accepted if the sky is blue. Over the surface you have different posibilities to mitigate difficult lighting but I can hardly use a tripod below the water. I will provide in the future sharp images underwater but of a resolution of 2 MPx, then I'll fulfill all QI criterias and everybody will be happy. Poco a poco 23:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Per Alvesgaspar. --Kallerna 08:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 21:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

File:SC_Wiener_Neustadt_vs._SV_Stripfing_20190817_(135).jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Patrick Haas, footballplayer of SV Stripfing. --Steindy 00:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Support Good quality. --Commonists 11:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Sorry for bringing this to discussion. The image is sharp and well done. But the result seams to have strong compression artifacts. --Augustgeyler 23:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support I can see some artifacts at 100% on my 23.5-inch monitor but not on my 13-inch monitor. I think it's quite good enough for QI. -- Ikan Kekek 05:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
    •  Comment I double checked it with my smallest laptop and could see it again at 100 %. --Augustgeyler (talk) 06:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose sorry, but the compression artifacts are too heavy --Sandro Halank 13:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment @Augustgeyler: @Sandro Halank: Thank you for your professional assessment! Is it still conceivable that you made a mistake in your assessment? If not, then I would ask you to note in the photo where these compression artifacts should be. If there really were such errors, then the individual hairs on the hands and legs would have to be blurred and not visible. But maybe it also helps to read the article about Compression artifact. regards --Steindy 18:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
    • I checked it again. It's most visible at the persons face (skin) and on his hair. --Augustgeyler 06:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I see them too. They almost look like the kind of compression artefacts you get when shooting with a mobile phone. I don't know how it happened, as other images shot in these series don't all seem to suffer from the same problem. Perhaps a redevelopment from raw file might fix the issue? --Peulle 09:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support I can't see any problems that would justify an oppose vote. --Palauenc05 14:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment There are no relevant JPG compression artifacts. The strange image impression is created when you combine massive noise reduction with excessive post-sharpening. Exactly what is the default setting in many cell phones. But since I'm not up for Steindy's toxic comments, I'm not voting, of course. He'll deny my analysis anyway. The situation as such is not badly captured photographically. But the processing, well... --Smial 18:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
    • Thank you for helping in getting an idea where this effect might come from. I just was able to recreate such an effect in darktable with a similar image by setting it up like you described it. --Augustgeyler 01:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
      •  Comment I have been using NeatImage for years to reduce annoying noise in my photos. It's also available as a plug-in for Photoshop. How stable the Linux version is, I do not know, not yet tried, because I do not know whether my ancient Windows license is still valid for it. With NeatImage, you can control the degree of noise reduction and the post sharpening that is always required afterwards very finely to get a visually pleasing result. This exactly does not mean that image noise is completely removed, but only lowered to a level that allows the most natural representation possible. --Smial 11:46, 16 November 2021 (UTC) Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
  •  Oppose I agree with the interpretation of Smial regardind the combination of noise reduction and sharpening. Whatever the real reason might be, it is certain that a better picture can be taken of the some subject with this camera. -- Alvesgaspar 20:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 21:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

File:Mount_Vesuvius_with_fog_and_sea.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination Mount Vesuvius with fog and sea --Commonists 18:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Sorry: visible JPEG artifacts --F. Riedelio 08:55, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
    • Where? Thanks--Commonists 17:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
      •  Comment On the boats (in full resolution). --F. Riedelio 07:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Chroma noise, weird oversharpening. I'm pretty sure the post-processing could be improved. Since I don't know the software used, I can't say where the lever should be applied to avoid the overall unbalanced image impression. (Colours, lighting, and composition are very nice). --Smial 09:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak  Support: this is a really beautiful composition with a Japanese-influenced aesthetic. I see the same artifacts the others see at full size, but full size is quite big. It would be a lot better if you could make the photo look better at full size, but on balance, I give this weak support. -- Ikan Kekek 14:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support per Ikan --Kritzolina 17:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment F. Riedelio and Smial I have reduced the contrast, better? Thanks --Commonists 20:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
    •  Comment IMO not really better (the JPG artifacts on the sailboat are still present) --F. Riedelio 07:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  weak pro --Palauenc05 22:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  weak contra I'm on the other side of the fence, although I too appreciate the nice composition. Since QIC is just about judging the image quality, though, I don't feel like I can support this one. Even cropping out the boat on the bottom wouldn't get rid of those artefacts all over the image. On the other hand, it's a lovely scene that would have my vote as a VI.--Peulle 11:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Support per Ikan. --Milseburg 17:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose This is a very well composed artwork. I suggest redoing the post processing. Otherwise I have to agree with Peulle. --Augustgeyler 10:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Poor technical quality for the reasons exposed above. -- Alvesgaspar 21:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
  •  Comment @Commonists: you know, you might be able to get this photo promoted if you get rid of the oversharpening artifacts. I agree with F. Riedelio that reducing the contrast didn't improve the photo. In fact, it might have been better before. -- Ikan Kekek 05:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Ikan Kekek I loaded the original without any modifications (except for 2 dust spots) and I don't know more than that. Thank you. --Commonists 11:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Total: 4 support (excluding the nominator), 5 oppose → Declined   --Peulle 21:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)