Category talk:1966 Ferrari 330 P3/P4 s/n 0846

The P3/4 referred to and pictured in this article is a replica which James Glickenhaus bought from the racing driver David Piper in the year 2000. It was described by Mr Piper as a replica and that is what Mr Glickenhaus agreed to buy and bought. Since then Mr Glickenhaus has embarked on a campaign to prove this car is the genuine long lost Ferrari 330 P3/4 #0846 which was discarded and written off by Ferrari after burning at Le Mans 1967. He has gone to great lengths to make it look like the genuine car. Unfortunately there are many details on the car which prove it is not Ferrari 330 P3/4 #0846.

In March, 2016 James Glickenhaus published to the world Ing. Mauro Forghieri's letter of chassis authentication dated 14th March, 2016 without making public the fuller earlier letter by Ing. Forghieri dated the 23rd February, 2016 which states the chassis has modifications not conforming to Ferrari practice and that the number 0846 no longer exists as it has been cancelled by Ferrari and that this number cannot legally be used.

Ing. Forghieri wrote these letters after a "tourist's glance" at the car at Amelia Island in 2014, where he thought he recognised the positioning of the oil cooler as that of the car he took to Daytona in 1966 for testing, and after looking over some brief documentation that was made available to him. He stated that he had NOT subjected the car to a technical analysis. He had NOT thoroughly examined the chassis as Mr Glickenhaus stated.

Since writing the letters and looking over Mr Glickenhaus's own pictures of the chassis, which he had not seen before writing the letters to Mr Glickenhaus, Ing. Forghieri has concluded the car is NOT the one he took to Daytona for testing in 1966 and therefore not 0846.

In an email to me dated 10th May, 2016, which Mr Glickenhaus is aware of, Ing. Forghieri has also stated the car of Mr Glickenhaus is a fake P4, "...falsa P4 di Glickenhaus..", the rear of the chassis has been made anew and the biggest differences to a real one are at the front. In addition to this, pictures of the real Ferrari P3/P4 0846 from Le Mans 1967 and Daytona 1967 along with explanations have been posted on the website www.ferrarichat.com. See here from about May 2016 onwards: https://www.ferrarichat.com/.../the-one-and-only-0846.../ You will see in amongst the debate my posts with pictures and explanations that prove the chassis is not the real 0846, and that the engine is a 3 litre 312 F1 engine, not a 4 litre 330 P4 engine as Mr Glickenhaus claims.

Below is the translated (by Gabriele Longoni) from Italian content of the email sent to me on 10th May, 2016 by Ing. Mauro Forghieri, Chief Director and Head of the Ferrari Racing Department that designed the P3 and P4 cars that effectively supersedes his letters of chassis authentication to Mr Glickenhaus of 14th March, 2016 and the earlier fuller letter of 23rd February, 2016.

“Dearest Mr.Robertson

I believe you are the biggest P4 expert living nowadays.

I really liked the set of pictures you sent, especially the one about 412 s/n0854 bare chassis and during restoration.

Please note, however, that both Glickenhaus’ car and the real P4 #0858 don’t have the tube you pointed with red arrows on picture n°4 (412P s/n0854) while they have the tube you point with arrows on picture n°3 (dp3 arrows).

This different configuration is because of the differences between a 412 and a 330 engine.

The rear portion of Glickenhaus’ fake P4 is completely new and these details couldn’t have been missed by coachbuilders that built real P4s.

I believe that the biggest differences from a real one are in the front section.

You, with those engine pictures, are proving that Glickenhaus’ car is not a real P4; and Ferrari’s belief too is proving it, because they refuse the number that Glickenhaus loves most; my personal negative belief then and what others said should make anyone believe that this car is original.

I could not travel to Sicily due to health and work issues, but I will go to Montecarlo.

I tried to make things more clear to avoid further problems to you.

Thanks for everything, respectfully and with the best regards.

Mauro Forghieri”Miurasvjota (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)