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File:Deror Lin.jpg, not featured[edit]
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 17 May 2023 at 00:30:25 (UTC)
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- Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/People/Portrait#Men
- Info created/uploaded by VGrigas (WMF) - nominated by Ezarate -- Ezarateesteban 00:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support -- Ezarateesteban 00:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The top crop cutting off the head is a bit unfortunate in my view. I also see no reason to include the blurry wooden frame in the composition.
Additionally, the picture is oversharpened. Weird artifacts got in the hair at various places.I would recommend to revert to the original version, by respect for the photographer (and the person,by the way, {{PR}} missing)-- Basile Morin (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Reverted to previous version, thanks Ezarateesteban 10:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I would have agreed with El Grafo below if the format had been vertical and a bit tighter. But in state, favoring the out of focus beam to the detriment of the hair, from my point of view it is an awkward choice / accident -- Basile Morin (talk) 14:40, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting, the frame does not bother me at all. To me it feels like I'm being greeted at the door: "Hello, come in, glad you could make it, can I get you a drink?" The more I look at it, the more I like it ... --El Grafo (talk) 09:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Different views. The subject looks friendly, but the composition seems random to me. And I don't think it's "missing the point". Just the way I see it subjectively. Otherwise I agree about the wow factor being limited -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Basile Morin Fair enough! You know, over the years, FPC has established some fairly dogmatic views on certain things that are just not in line with (and sometimes the complete opposite of) what is considered reasonable in certain genres of photography. That's at least in part the legacy of the old days. People around here were mostly concerned about taking useful photos for Wikipedia. Without much prior exposure to photography, reviewers latched on to the common guidelines that separate the beginner photographer from the snapshot-taking tourist. But guidelines were mistaken as rules, turned into gospel and applied without considering whether they actually apply to the image in question ("verticals must be parallel" is my personal favourite). It's slowly gotten better recently, but on occasion we still struggle with this legacy. Maybe I've grown a bit over-sensitive to that. Maybe I was the one missing the point: I took your comment as you falling for the old and very misconceived "never cut into people's heads" dogma. Apologies for that!
- I see the composition as a very pleasing, roughly golden ratio based one (eyes around the top right intersection, mouth around the bottom right one). If that doesn't resonate with you, that is absolutely 100% fine and gives me something to think about. I'd prefer a good discourse over a boring rule-of-the-fifth-day-nomination any day. Again, apologies if I crossed a line there. El Grafo (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- No worry, I would be very happy to debate too, in my mother tongue, for all the subtleties of the language and the cultural references.
- In Europe, the educational system is different from that of the United States, thus the adjective 101 for example is not immediately obvious.
- "Sterile" is a word I would not have chosen if the head had been uncut in that case. "Conventional", perhaps?
- Show me a rabbit, a duck, or a bear with the top of the head missing, I would probably find the crop similarly unfortunate :-) Because a "whole" is precious in animals (including humans).
- Agreed about "dogmas" (to avoid). Each case is particular. However, conventions are powerful too. Even adoptable sometimes :-)
- Thanks -- Basile Morin (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Different views. The subject looks friendly, but the composition seems random to me. And I don't think it's "missing the point". Just the way I see it subjectively. Otherwise I agree about the wow factor being limited -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting, the frame does not bother me at all. To me it feels like I'm being greeted at the door: "Hello, come in, glad you could make it, can I get you a drink?" The more I look at it, the more I like it ... --El Grafo (talk) 09:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. I would have agreed with El Grafo below if the format had been vertical and a bit tighter. But in state, favoring the out of focus beam to the detriment of the hair, from my point of view it is an awkward choice / accident -- Basile Morin (talk) 14:40, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Reverted to previous version, thanks Ezarateesteban 10:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Basile. --Fabian Roudra Baroi (talk) 03:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose No wow factor, possibly even an FPX candidate, IMO. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose In defense the the photographer, cutting the top of the head is not "unfortunate" but done with intention to achieve a more intimate, less sterile composition. That's portrait photography 101, complaining about this is like complaining about the lack of feet in an upper body portrait: missing the point. This is a pretty solid portrait, it's just not particularly exciting. --El Grafo (talk) 13:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 23:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed
@The person who loves reading: please read the guidelines and explain your vote. "A well-written review helps participants (photographers, nominators and reviewers) improve their skills by providing insight into the strengths and weaknesses of a picture. Explain your reasoning, especially when opposing a candidate"-- Basile Morin (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed
Confirmed results:
Result: 1 support, 5 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Basile Morin (talk) 05:09, 13 May 2023 (UTC)