That was the main one, although I find these 'photographs taken on .. date.. a waste of space!. By the way, Didier, the Museum-based entomologist I was with in the Balkans said ventral refers to the thorax/abdomen/body, so for a side-on view of a live butterfly with folded wings we should use underside, not ventral. What do you think? Charles (talk) 22:22, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For the date it saves time to find an image. For entomology there is nothing normative in French there are several possibilities the old entomologists use the terms AVERS and REVERS. Ventral and dorsal are widely used. I go to MHNT I pose the question to our curator in entomology. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For entomologists a side-on picture of a live butterfly is probably not something they are interested in for scientific purposes as both wings cannot be shown. They have to kill the butterfly first! Charles (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
