Commons:Valued image candidates/Gdow Church 13.jpg

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Gdow Church 13.jpg

promoted
Image
Nominated by SM1 (talk) on 2017-01-25 19:36 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Church of the Nativity of the Virgin Mary in Gdów – ks Ludwik Kusionowicz Portrait
Used in Global usage
Review
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 Oppose: The scope is inappropriate for this image - it should be connected to "Ludwik Kusionowicz", not to the church. I looked "Ludwik Kusionowicz" up in the English Wikipedia, in the Polish Wikipedia and on Google but all that I could find any articles about him him and not even enough information about him to meet the "notability" criteria on the English Wikipedia (which probably applies to the Polish Wikipedia as well). Martinvl (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment The description associated with this file conveys the importance of Ludwik to the Church in Gdów of which he was not only Parish Priest for 46 years, while also becoming Dean of Wieliczka and honourary Canon of Tarnów, but he transformed the church building itself to its current form and is further honoured at the church with his statue. More importantly from an historical perspective is that Ludwik chronicled the Battle of Gdów (chronicle comprises ten pages of the book 'Kronika Gdowa' written in Polish by Piotr Gumulka and published in 2015), the only battle of the Krakow Uprising of 1846. The fact that Wikipedia pages have still to catch up with much of the history of Central Europe, much of it deliberately suppressed or destroyed in the past, should not, IMHO, be the sole criterion of whether an image is useful or not. --SM1 (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a judge of what is important and what isd not importsant in the Polish Wikipedia - that is up to the Polish Wikipedians. Once they have deemed Ludwik to be notable and have written an article, this image could be a suitable VI candidate, not as an adjunct to the church, but to Ludwik in his own right. Martinvl (talk) 09:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Support Martinvl as usual finds some strange problems, and does not bother him that the photos in the end always get VI. I admire his perseverance. --Jacek Halicki (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2017 (UTC)  Support agreed with Jacek Halicki & Archaeodontosaurus--Tiven2240 (talk) 08:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment No problem with notability, the man can deserve a scope. But I think that yes, the chosen scope is not appropriate, and the image should be linked to something else than a church, as it is not a church. Not very good technically due to the distorsion: it should be a circle. So does it really describe the subject well enough (criterium 3) ? I don't oppose, but...--Jebulon (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment The English Wikipedia has an essay on notability within the Roman Catholic church. Accoring to that article, Ludwik might come close to, but does not meet the criteria for notability (he was never a full bishop). The full article on en:Wikipedia:Notability describes the concepts further. If however somebody were to write a properly cross-referenced article (not just a stub) about Ludwik that was accepted as being worthy of inclusion in either the English or Polish Wikipedia, then he could be considered "notable" - until then however he is just another parish priest. Martinvl (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Result: 3 support, 1 oppose =>
promoted. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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