File talk:Карта распределения армянского населения в Турецкой Армении и Курдистане с пояснительною запискою, 1895.jpg

 

 

False figures

This map is based on an Ottoman census that faked population figures to make it appear there were less Armenians than there actually were, as the Ottomans were already planning the Armenian Genocide at this point. Please see here for more information: http://www.aniarc.am/2015/04/04/the-pre-1895-censuses-in-ottoman-empire/--Preservedmoose (talk) 01:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

[1] - for Billhpike. An inability to see an obvious error in a url is just as bad as the making of that obvious error in the first place. Or was the "inability" deliberate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.53.10 (talk • contribs)

Glad to know your opinion, IP. https://www.aniarc.am/2015/04/04/the-pre-1895-censuses-in-ottoman-empire/ Why would the error be obvious? I swear, there is so much paranoia on Wikipedia.--Preservedmoose (talk) 22:30, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

For :Preservedmoose and 92.17.53.10. This map is based on the work of the french author V. Cuinet "La Turquie d'Asie 1890-1894". Your attempts to degrade this most detailed official document-map is as bad as broken URL you provided at first place. And even second URL you provided is talking about numbers of the Armenian population of the Ottoman empire, but this map-document showing percentage of the Muslim and Christian population not the amount. Ottomans did not plan complete Armenian Genocide at this point, this is not the truth. Abdul-Hamid II was mad in the great fear of everybody who he suspected of being against his rule and power of his empire. He even shut dead by mistake few of his own devoted bodyguards out of fear of assassination. You did not know that the period of his reign was called by Ottoman Turks "Zulum", means "oppression"? The total Armenian Genocide at this point was planned by "Committee of the Union and Progress"("Ittihad ve Terakki Cemiyeti") leaded by donme-sabbateans(sarigyl) like Talaat, Enver and et cetera. So, I guess you guys are seeing things and events you special way, not the way they really occur.Presereved Mammouth (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what your point is. There were massacres as early as the 1870s. Also, cute username. What's that all about? Perhaps you should stick to the Turkish-language Wikipedia?--Preservedmoose (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Preservedmoose: I think what he meant was that scholars usually treat the Haminidian massacres (by Abdul Hamid) and the Armenian Genocide (by the Committee of Union and Progress) as distinct events rather than being the same campaign. What I've read on ENwiki is that most scholars treat them as two separate events. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

However, on EL Wikipedia, this map is used on the AG entry, so it is being editorialized in that article into content connected to the Armenian Genocide. The problem is not the image itself (I don't know why one would think its deletion from Wikimedia would be a solution), the problem is with its misrepresentation and incorrect usage on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 92.5.243.249 (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)