File talk:Limited recognition.png

Libya

Should Libya be shown in orange (like Taiwan) or greenish (like the PRC)? Both are equally arguable, of course, because two states vie for control of the exact same territory. Maybe best to show Libya in orange-greenish striation or something of this kind? --Dbachmann (talk) 09:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

China (PROC)

I think this country should be gray in color as all UN member states recognize it (as discussed in w:List of states with limited recognition). I am aware of PROC/ROC conflict but the current color scheme is misleading. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 13:39, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually I may have been partially wrong, after re-re-reviewing it. Is there a single country that does not recognize Republic of China? If no UN member has an issue with it, then it should be gray or a new color for those countries not recognized by countries that are not UN members. Holy See/Vatican is not a UN member. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 14:00, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I assume you mean the People’s Republic of China, not the Republic of China (most states do not recognize the latter). Some 20 UN member states do not recognize PRC, see en:List of states with limited recognition, en:Foreign relations of the Republic of China, and en:Foreign relations of the People's Republic of China.—Emil J. 18:01, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I do not read that in the article. They just seem to also recognize Republic of China as it appears. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 17:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Among others Paraguay does not recognize the PRC, see w:Foreign relations of Paraguay. More seriously for this image, Paraguay doesn't look to be recognized by the PRC either. That means Paraguay is "a UN member state, not recognized by at least one other state"...--Nilfanion (talk) 01:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

This image is but a graphical illustration of the information from w:List of states with limited recognition. If you think any country is missing, please raise it at w:Talk:List of states with limited recognition rather than here.—Emil J. 17:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Border on Kosovo

Kosovo is now recognized by over 50% of countries in the world, so that is a majority, doesn't that mean its borders are shown?—Spesh531, My talk, and External links 01:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sahara

Shouldn't be the sahara whole orange? --Excolis (talk) 14:24, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Russia and Crimea

Russia yet didn't recognize at present independence of the Crimea. It will make it later. And here is how it will look:

• South Sudan
• Abkhazia
• South Ossetia
• East Timor
• Montenegro --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 11:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't think Crimea should be listed here at this moment. We should wait. --Excolis (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Crimea hasn't declared independence yet. What their declaration actually says: "If Crimean residents vote for the accession of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol to Russia as a constituent entity, Crimea will be declared an independent republic after the referendum" . They may well declare independence in the future, but this isn't a map of proposed states. If someone wants to create a map of proposed states, they should upload a variant under a different filename rather than hijacking this image. TDL (talk) 20:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. We should wait. --Nicolay Sidorov (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Today Crimea declared independence (BBC: Crimea's parliament has formally declared independence from Ukraine and asked to join the Russian Federation [1]). So, Crimea should be add on the map. Aotearoa (talk) 09:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, they have actually declared independence now. To the admin looking, the version that was posted on 15:48, 11 March 2014, but was reverted, should be restored, as it is now the case. Haven't seen a source indication any Russian recognition yet. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Update, apparently Russia has recognised Crimea, so the correct revision is now 01:34, 12 March 2014. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:54, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yeah, the map has been protected on vary controversial version, which is just incorrect version now. And nobody can change this irrational decision. Where are those who called for this false version? Why are they silent now? Aotearoa (talk) 19:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea only just declared independence today, so clearly "irrationally" adding it a week ago, prior to their declaration of independence, was an error. Hence why the map needed to be protected to prevent further disruption from those editors (including you) who were repeatedly uploading a "false version" of the map. Now that reality has finally caught up with those who were attempting to prematurely modify the image, I withdraw my objections to the proposed changes. TDL (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that link to my comment TDL. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Just trying to make it as clear as possible for whatever admin happened upon this. (If you set a timezone in your preferences, then local timestamps are used in the history which makes it confusing to determine a revision based solely on a date/time.) TDL (talk) 17:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Russia has officially recognized Crimea as of today, the Crimea should be colored in orange. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 04:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Actually we may want to hold off slightly. BBC is saying "BREAKING NEWS President Putin signs a treaty with pro-Russian Crimean leaders to accept the "Republic of Crimea" and city of Sevastopol into the Russian Federation. They then stand with the entire hall as the Russian national anthem is played." This would mean annexation has occurred, I presume. We'll see when more information emerges. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• According to the BBC [2] the law now signed has to pass the constitutional court and parliament, which the BBC reckons will be done by the end of the week. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Donetsk

Donetsk shall not be added in boundaries of Donietsk Oblast, because DPR do not control entire territory of the Oblast. As in cases of Somaliland and Western Sahara – de facto controlled area should be shown. But no one knows (including separatist, as I think) which territory is under (de facto) control of DPR. A few cities only? Or some larger areas? And what about rural areas… Aotearoa (留言) 06:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

ISIS/ISIL

Should the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" be added to this map? Illegitimate Barrister 06:17, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Western Sahara

I have tried to upload a more accurate portrayal of Western Sahara.

• Most of the territory is controlled by Morocco and treated as part of that country, but this situation is not recognised by a number of states;
• Alternatively, if we pretend that Western Sahara as a whole is a different country then that is not recognised by certain other states (ie. Morocco).

So, there is no logical way for us to leave WS grey. Whether or not we see things the same way as Morocco's government, that territory is not recognised by all UN members. We might need to add an extra colour to the key, to allow for difficult situations like this. bobrayner (留言) 16:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Colors

It is very difficult to distinguish between red, orange and pink, especially in very small areas on the map. Would it make sense to substitute two of these colors by yellow and light blue, for example? --Diorit (留言) 03:03, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, the colors are difficult to see. I propose we lighten the background grey, and pick much darker colors, and possibly more vibrant colors. --Mapmaker345 (留言) 18:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Red region in Northern Iraq and Syria

Would it be supposed to be the ISIS? That's not the territory controlled by ISIS, it (more or less) corresponds to the territory controlled by the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, not ISIS. So, a correction would be welcome, since Kurdistan hasn't yet declared its independence. Viet-hoian1 (talk) 22:45 5 May 2015 (UTC)

ISIS/Islamic State needs to be added to the map

The self-proclaimed Islamic State desperately needs to be shown on this map. This is a map about unrecognized groups claiming to have statehood. ISIS fits that category. As for Kurdistan, I would not add it until it declares independence. Maybe Rojava (west Kurdistan) could be added. Here is a link showing the locations of these territories.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Syria_and_Iraq_2014-onward_War_map.png Pbfreespace3 (留言) 20:14, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

No, it isn't "a map about unrecognized groups claiming to have statehood". It is a map of states that meet the inclusion criteria at en:List_of_states_with_limited_recognition#Criteria_for_inclusion. Importantly, only states which "satisfy the en:declarative theory of statehood" or which are "recognised as a state by at least one en:UN member state" are included. Not depicted are the many, many groups which claim independence, but which are both unrecognized and for which there are no reliable sources arguing that they are states under international law.

If you want to create "a map about unrecognized groups claiming to have statehood", then you are welcome to upload a new map under a different filename showing all such states. TDL (留言) 22:34, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Protection

I have protected this file for 6 months as there have been repeated overwriting of the file not in line with Commons:Overwriting existing files. I count 10 upload/revert cycles in the past year, and ZERO accepted changes since July 2014. In particular, the status of Donetsk and Lugansk is controversial - these should not be added to the file unless and until there a consensus to add them eg at w:Talk:List of states with limited recognition.

New versions can be uploaded to Commons at another location, for instance File:States with Limited Recognition including Donetsk and Lugansk.png.--Nilfanion (留言) 08:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Additions

I'm Italian. If the english version is incorrect or impossible to understand, read and translate the Italian version.

English: I propose:

• to color the entire Western Sahara
• to add the New Russia

Italiano: Vorrei proporre:

• Colorare totalmente il Sahara Occidentale
• Aggiungere la Nuova Russia

--95.236.223.202 15:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi 95.236.223.202, I'm italian too, I improved your translation. Furthermore, I suggest to change the salmon-pink color to something more recognizable, like light cyan. Maybe a svg version would make the updates easier? --Kar.ma (留言) 20:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Ambazonia

The current map excludes Ambazonia. Here is a map which includes Ambazonia: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Limited_recognition4.png Ear Ostrich wrestlingmatch2 (留言) 16:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

its not independent. 187.39.133.201 13:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Egypt/Sudan

This map uses the 1902 administrative boundary, and makes no efforts to show the 1899 political boundary which is partly in force. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halayib_Triangle. Benica11 (留言) 01:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Artsakh

Please edit the borders of Artsakh according to the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_ceasefire_agreement — 以上未签名的留言是由该用户加入的： Mastersun25 (留言 • 贡献) 18:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

addition of new countries

the Republic of Ambazonia, the ISIL/Islamic state (of the Iraq and Levant) (both Ambazonia and ISIL red), Donetsk PR(People's Republic), Luhansk PR (People's Republic) (both of them orange), Croatia and South Sudan (Both Green).187.39.129.78 02:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Ambazonia is only a movement, its not independent, as for donetsk, luhansk and ISIL, they are proto-states, which, i think should fall under this category, for south sudan, i didn't find a source that stated that any country does not recognize it. WikipedianoNormal (留言) 16:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

source for croatia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Croatia#/media/File:Recognition_of_Croatia_(map).png

luhansk, donetsk and ISIL are unrecognized proto states (its just common knowledge at this point), though further discussion is needed to decide if they should fall under this category of unrecognized states. WikipedianoNormal (留言) 16:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• State means territory, sovereignty, people, government. TRNC is the perfect example. Being recognized partially is an almost universal fact, search in detail and you will see that even some major countries are not -sort of to say- "recognized" by one or the other country. The colossal China was not recognized (and still is not, but not widely) for many countries... E4024 (留言) 17:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Please see en:List of states with limited recognition for more information on the entities which are included in this image. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 02:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

somaliland and croatia

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland%E2%80%93Taiwan_relations, somaliland is recognized by the ROC, it should be included in "recognized only by non-un states only"

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Croatia croatia is not recognized by all countries (if we are including china, NK, south korea, armenia and israel for these reasons, so croatia should also be included), it should be included in the "un member states with at least 1 country not recognizing it" thing.

187.39.133.201 13:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

1: that's unofficial

2: as mentioned in the article, "Some states can be slow to establish relations with new UN member states and thus do not explicitly recognise them, despite having no dispute and sometimes favorable relations. These are excluded from the list. Examples include Croatia and Montenegro." Unknown-Tree (留言) 08:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@Unknown-Tree Did you read [3], [4] and [5], they are using the government of Republic of China (Taiwan) and the government of Republic of Somaliland as signatories. Liuxinyu970226 (留言) 10:07, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Color and accessibility

I do not know too much about color accessibility requirements, but as an able-bodied person (at least, with regard to vision), the colors used here make it hard for even me to read what's going on. I also did a check on Toptal, and it seems that, for folks with colorblindness, the problem is even worse, as the hues all just blur together. Since this is a heavily-modified file, I thought I'd bring this up here before unilaterally taking action. Any thoughts?--Gen. Quon (留言) 14:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis, Yue, Unknown-Tree, Spesh531, and Ythlev: +1 Fully agree. According to a medical examination, I too am not even close to being colour blind. Nevertheless, "Recognized by UN non-members only" and "UN non-members recognized by at least one UN member" are absolutely indistinguishable on the map. For one of them, you should choose a very different colour. For example, purple.--Ciao • Bestoernesto • ✉ 17:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and Transnistria

@Chipmunkdavis, Yue, Unknown-Tree, Spesh531, and Ythlev: I missing "Transnistria" and the "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan[" on the map--Ciao • Bestoernesto • ✉ 17:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Transnistria is on the map (just very small), Afghanistan is a universally recognised state. Chipmunkdavis (留言) 21:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)