File talk:Steve McQueen.png

License disputed

This image comes from Steve McQueen's FIM license -- a motorcycle club racing license. Examples at Google Images. FIM is a private motorcycle racing sanctioning body, not a government agency. There is no copyright notice, but the document says, "This license remains the property of F.I.M. and must be returned to the F.M.N. when it expires." I don't know whether that applies to the photo copyright. The ultimate source of this jpg is from the Bonham's auction where the license was sold: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4174182&iSaleNo=17318&iSaleSectionNo=1 It says "Copyright © 2002-2011 Bonhams 1793 Ltd., Images and Text All Rights Reserved" I do not know if Bonhams can legally assert copyright on the FIM license. Again, this is not government photo, it's a private organization. One thing is sure that CC-by-SA is not the appropriate license for this image. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

The actual license will be copyright of FIM. This picture is not part of that copyright, it is simply a copy of the original photo, which needs its copyright status to be determined. Normally this would lie with the photographer, which I suppose could have been a photo-booth in this case. Bonhams can't create any new copyright. IANAL Railwayfan2005 (talk) 23:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Repeating what I put in on the Village Pump. No, FIM cannot be the copyright holder of the photo if they did not take the photo. Probably {{PD-US-no notice}} is the best bet. The blank form itself was issued by FIM, and printed in the UK, but that is probably not copyrightable in the U.S. in the first place, and the UK typographical arrangement copyright would have expired by now. If you notice, the license was issued by "MICUS" (Motorcycle International Clubs of the United States), and there is a New Jersey stamp on the other side, meaning the photo itself was applied in the U.S. thus that would presumably be the country of origin for the photo itself. There are no copyright notices anywhere I can see, photo or otherwise. And no, the auction house can't assert copyright -- Commons:When to use the PD-scan tag is our position on that. Carl Lindberg (talk) 00:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)