File talk:Timeline of the History of the main autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Churches, E. Orthodox point of view (2022).svg

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I think it’s a good graph, but showing the Church of Rome as “Eastern Orthodox” doesn’t make historical sense and might be seen as controversial. Eccekevin (talk) 22:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Eccekevin: The title states "E. Orthodox point of view", because the image represents an E. Orthodox point of view. From a Roman Catholic point of view, all churches would be Roman Catholic until 1054. There is no way for anyone to make an objective timeline, because there is not enough sources to clearly know what Christians believed throughout the centuries, so we are left with biased narratives. Veverve (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Orthodox Church of America

This should be red or gray, not green, since there still is conflict over its autocephaly, which is not recognized by Constantinople. Or you could have a different color (maybe dashed red and green), for churches that are partially recognized, like OAC or Ukraine. Eccekevin (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Eccekevin: The colour scheme is explained in the description:

By "main", I (User:Veverve) mean a) churches wich were recognised as autocephalous by at least one other church - other church which is recognised as autocephalous by the other churches; b) churches which became part of churches wich were recognised as autocephalous by at least one other church - other church which is recognised as autocephalous by the other churches; c) the en:Orthodox Church of Ukraine (its case is complicated, see en:2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism).

Veverve (talk) 22:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Carthage and Georgia

Great work on this chart!

On Georgia, since past of the Church of Georgia split away after Chalcedon along with Armenia, those who remained continued under Antioch. When the Georgians returned to Orthodoxy and accepted Chalcedon, the were under or received by Constantinople. I don't know if you want to make a Georgian reference also under Constantinople.

On Carthage, even though they were "under" Rome until it disappearance, its primate had the title "Primate of Proconsular Africa, Numidia, Tripolitania and Mauretania," or let's just say, Western Africa. The Autonomy of this Church from Rome is well documented. Had it not disappeared, it could have become autocephalous, and some (few) considered it as such. Should it be represented as a spin-off Rome?

--Coquidragon (talk) 17:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Coquidragon: Thanks for your compliments!

The Georgian case is very complex, and I have not been able to find sources clearly explaining the situation. You can see a report of my research efforts at w:Talk:Georgian Orthodox Church#Date of autocephaly and from whom?.

I am against adding the Church of Carthage, as this timeline is only to show the main churches which have become autocephalous at one point. It should not contain speculations such as whether the primate of Carthage was autocephalous or not. Reliable sources are needed for such historical data. Veverve (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I undertand. Thanks. Coquidragon (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2022 (UTC)