File talk:Princess Luisa Maria Theresa Stuart (1692-1712), by Jean-François de Troy.jpg

File:Princess Luisa Maria Theresa Stuart (1692-1712), by Jean-François de Troy.jpg

Dear Jan Arkesteijn, you wrote that “Jean-Francois according to source.”
Previously the painting was sold at Sotheby’s as by François de Troy: [1]; in the last lot description the reattribution is not mentioned.
The painting is inscribed: Fait à S Germain Par f de Troy En 1700; its pendant, inv. KM 255, is also inscribed: Peint à St. Germain par F. de Troy En 1700.
--Thorvaldsson (talk) 09:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Sotheby's clearly reports Jean-François de Troy (in capitals) as the author for this particular image. I don't see any reason to doubt the expertise of the Sotheby-specialists, even when the inscription says f de Troy. It would not be the first time that an artist used an abbreviated name. Why don't you just add comments of art-historians whith a different opionion to the description field, accompanied with the sources, naturally. Or else, why don't you add your doubts to the discussion page. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 10:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply: I am glad that the online entry does not state 'by da Vinci'
a different opinion? Since previously the painting was listed as 'by François de Troy,' I am afraid, you have failed to add the following information: creator:François de Troy|formerly attributed to & Category:François de Troy.
--Thorvaldsson (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand. Please, clarify. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

It is rather unfortunate that you do not question the attribution to Jean-François de Troy because the portrait in question is a typical work of François de Troy.
The painting was sold twice at Sotheby’s: in 2000 and 2010. According to the online catalogue, in 2000 it was ‘by François de Troy.’ It is according to the online catalogue of 2010 sale that it is ‘by Jean-François de Troy’; I have not seen the printed copy of this catalogue.
According to the inscriptions on the paintings, they were painted by F de Troy in 1700 in Saint-Germain. Jean-François de Troy was in Italy from 1699 to 1706. François de Troy was the principal painter to the Stuart court [2] (two portraits of Louisa Maria Theresa Stuart by François de Troy are mentioned on the page 186).
Then there is also a documented provenance for both paintings. According to the Landesmuseum in Hannover, inv. KM 255 is by François de Troy.
There are also other copies after François de Troy (ad esempio [3] two pictures of two different paintings).
--Thorvaldsson (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

And I look at it differently. I consider Sotheby's to by a reliable source. If they apparently re-attribute a painting they must have a reason for that. The file description says what the source says. If you want to deviate from the source, that is your responsibility, so why don't you upload a copy of the image yourself with your personal interpretation of the attribution. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 21:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that's an agreeable solution. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)