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Disputed description

Large scale reindeer husbandry was not yet widespread in the 16th century, so the areas are hardly areas of "reindeer herder associations". What the map actually describes should be clarified.

At Swedish Wikipedia it was suggested the map might be based on taxation records and later maps. Taxation was probably based on the Sami "villages" (Siida), but to which extent these where "reindeer herding associations" is unclear.

Does somebody have access to the source (the book)? What is "Sippenverbände" given in the original German description?

--LPfi (talk) 07:50, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Dating of the map

The dating of the whole reconstruction to the 16th century is questionable. I checked Kjellström's book, and he does indeed claim this, but without citing any sources. However, it is clear that when the different parts of the map were reconstructed they did not show the same time. The Sami communities of Kemi lappmark were reconstructed by Tegengren in "En utdöd lappkultur" (1952). The borders, which are essentially the same as on this map, are said to have been taken from a map made by Wahlenberg in 1802, showing the situation as it was then. In 1968, Filip Hultblad reconstructed the community areas for most of Sápmi, including the parts covered by Tegengren, in "Övergång från nomadism till agrar bosättning i Jokkmokks socken". His sources are partly from the 16th century, but to a large extent (northern Finland) from the 17th century. If you compare Hultblad's map with the map which is found here on Commons, it is obvious that most of it is the same. However, the communities of the Kola peninsula were not included by Hultblad. They were reconstructed somewhat later by Karl Nickul and can be found in "The lappish nation" from 1977, where he says that they represent the community areas as they existed some 100-150 years ago, i.e. in the beginning of the 19th century. The borders shown on Nickul's map are essentially the same as on this map. So, the map is compiled from reconstructions from different times. Until anyone can show otherwise, I will change the description in accordance to this.--Skogsfrun (talk) 17:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)