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1 00:00:08,019 --> 00:00:12,400 VANESSA: I had a lot of apprehensions when I had my first polygraph. 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,000 SOO: Initially, I felt very nervous. REBA: I wasn't sure how invasive it was going to be 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,720 REBA: My biggest fear would be that I would say something that would cause them to say, 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,520 "Oh, we ... we don't think she's the right person." 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,800 VANESSA: I thought I was going to be in the polygraph for, like, hours, like maybe even 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 days. (LAUGHS) SCOTT: I had a lot of weird ideas about what 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,080 was going to happen. VANESSA: They strap you in 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:41,880 CURTIS: I had heard that they would tell you, "we think you're lying." They would basically 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,280 stop the polygraph ... interrogate you. ... SCOTT: I imagined it being like an electric 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,600 chair or something like that, you know? And every time I said something that they didn't 11 0000:00:50,600 --> 00:00:56,080 believe ... that they were going to zap me. REBA: I had heard from ... long time ago ... that 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,240 they had asked some very "strange" questions, lifestyle questions ... 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,280 VANESSA: I thought, "If they ask me if I speed, I'm, like, failing this for sure." 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,240 SCOTT: I was ... I was a wreck when I went into my polygraph. (LAUGHING) 15 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:20,399 KENNY: Everyone comes in hearing all sorts of stories. Good stories, bad stories. 16 00:01:20,399 --> 00:01:26,399 JEAN: Most of the time they listen to information that is not correct, and they come in probably 17 00:01:26,409 --> 00:01:30,659 more nervous than most examiners would want them to be. 18 00:01:30,659 --> 00:01:34,649 HEATHER: I think most people are nervous 'cause they want to do well, but they don't really 19 00:01:34,649 --> 00:01:36,639 know what to expect. SCOTT: People are always curious about what 20 00:01:36,639 --> 00:01:41,149 goes on in the polygraph, and what does this do, and what does this mean, and why are you 21 00:01:41,149 --> 00:01:43,030 doing this and ... KENNY: A person needs to understand exactly 22 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:48,819 what they're getting into, why they're getting into it, and what exactly is going to happen. 23 00:01:48,819 --> 00:01:54,000 And that's what we as polygraph examiners are there for. 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:01,000 JEAN: When a person first comes in for the test, many people are under the assumption 25 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:03,600 that they're going to just have to sit down in a chair and be asked questions and answer 26 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,910 them. HEATHER [in video clip]: (speaks beneath Jean's 27 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:08,310 voice over) ... Come with me please. HEATHER: All of the polygraph examiners really 28 00:02:08,310 --> 00:02:12,970 try to make a person feel more at ease, just trying to talk to them and find out, you know, 29 00:02:12,970 --> 00:02:15,640 what they are thinking about ... what are they worried about ... and trying to make 30 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:16,160 them feel more comfortable about it. HEATHER [in video clip]: Soo, feel free to 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,500 have a seat in this chair ... SOO [in video clip]: Great. 32 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:25,060 JEAN: What I do at the beginning is I tell the person exactly what's going to happen. 33 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:26,500 HEATHER: (speaks beneath Jean's voice over) I'm Heather, I'm going to be your polygraph 34 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,970 examiner today. JEAN: They will know ahead of time everything 35 00:02:29,970 --> 00:02:33,290 that's going to happen before it happens. There will be no surprises. 36 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:36,930 HEATHER: Once they get into the polygraph room we're going to take some time to go over 37 00:02:36,930 --> 00:02:40,170 the consent form, make sure they understand what they are signing, 'cause that's very 38 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:43,330 important that they're not signing a document they don't fully understand. 39 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:46,260 HEATHER: Basically, what this states is that you voluntarily consent to take the exam, 40 00:02:46,260 --> 00:02:50,670 that your rights are protected by the Fifth Amendment and by the Privacy Act. ... 41 00:02:50,670 --> 00:02:55,150 JEAN: ... Which basically means that we do not disseminate any of that information outside 42 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:57,050 of official channels ... HEATHER: (speaks beneath Jean's voice over) 43 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:59,010 ... it doesn't go to family, friends, or anyone else ... (speaks beneath Scott's voice over) 44 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:03,310 SCOTT: We video monitor and audio record interviews, uh, for both of our protection. 45 00:03:03,310 --> 00:03:04,970 HEATHER: (speaking beneath Scott's voice over) ... this is the microphone ... (speaking beneath 46 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:07,910 Scott's voice over) SCOTT: I want to make sure that I am capturing 47 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:13,080 everything correctly that you said. It also allows you the comfort of knowing that I'm 48 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,340 going to be a professional. HEATHER: (On screen speaking beneath her own 49 00:03:14,340 --> 00:03:16,300 voice over) HEATHER: We start by talking about what the 50 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:19,040 scope of the test will be, the different types of questions. 51 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,590 SCOTT: And the questions that I go over and define for you in the pretest, they're not 52 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:26,230 going to change. That's what I'm going to ask you for every test. So I want you to be 53 00:03:26,230 --> 00:03:28,569 able to say, "Ok, I know what's coming, so, it's time to just go through and get through 54 00:03:28,569 --> 00:03:31,069 the test." HEATHER [on screen]: That question will be, 55 00:03:31,069 --> 00:03:34,880 "have you engaged in espionage against the United States?" And you're going to answer 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,470 ... SOO [on screen]: No. 57 00:03:35,470 --> 00:03:37,180 HEATHER [on screen]: Any concerns or questions about that? 58 00:03:37,180 --> 00:03:39,680 SOO [on screen]: None whatsoever. HEATHER: We go through their forms with them. 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,700 We go over the instrumentation, how everything works, what the process will be ... 60 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:46,840 HEATHER [on screen]: The blue cuff over there you've seen a dozen times ... and that just 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,150 records heart rate and blood flow. HEATHER: We do a practice test to help them 62 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:58,139 to get used to what the actual test will be like and then we typically go into test. 63 00:03:58,139 --> 00:04:03,930 SCOTT: The actual testing portion of the polygraph is the shortest part of the entire process. 64 00:04:03,930 --> 00:04:08,860 SCOTT [on screen]: Have you provided classified information to an unauthorized person? 65 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:15,860 REBA [on screen]: No. SCOTT: The test lasts 5-6 minutes in duration. 66 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:22,090 You'll just be answering straight "yes" or "no." We run anywhere from 3-6 charts. We 67 00:04:22,090 --> 00:04:27,009 repeat questions just to make sure that I'm not basing everything on one question and 68 00:04:27,009 --> 00:04:30,310 one response. SCOTT [on screen]: Have you had secret contact 69 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:33,749 with a foreign national or representative. REBA [on screen]: No. 70 00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:40,749 JEAN: If we see anything that is of concern on the test then, or, we identify as a possible 71 00:04:40,779 --> 00:04:46,539 problem, we will discuss that with the person and give them an opportunity to resolve that 72 00:04:46,539 --> 00:04:47,969 issue. REBA [on screen]: OK, so did I pass? 73 00:04:47,969 --> 00:04:50,800 SCOTT [on screen]: Well right now it has to go through quality control ... (speaks beneath 74 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,249 Jean's voice over) JEAN: We do not give the final result while 75 00:04:54,249 --> 00:04:59,719 the person is there in the office ... the reason being that all of the information has 76 00:04:59,719 --> 00:05:04,439 to go through a quality control process before the final determination is made. 77 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:05,309 SCOTT [on screen]: (speaks beneath Jean's voice over) ... Can you take a look at these 78 00:05:05,309 --> 00:05:05,779 charts for me? ... (speaks beneath Jean's voice over) 79 00:05:05,779 --> 00:05:06,529 NSA REVIEWER [on screen]: Oh, sure. (Scott and NSA Reviewer continue conversation beneath 80 00:05:06,529 --> 00:05:08,259 voice over) SCOTT: Polygraph is designed so that there's 81 00:05:08,259 --> 00:05:13,779 not just one person that's making a final call on the information that's gathered during 81 00:05:13,779 --> 00:05:16,809 the test. It goes through a quality control process with very seasoned examiners. They 83 00:05:16,809 --> 00:05:23,240 haven't met you. They don't know who you are in the room. They haven't sat with you for 84 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,789 however long it takes to go through the exam. And they're able to look and see, with an 85 00:05:26,789 --> 00:05:34,349 unbiased eye, whether or not there's anything there that's of concern. And so by offering 86 00:05:34,349 --> 00:05:38,969 an answer to you about the results of your test right at the end, it would really be, 87 00:05:38,969 --> 00:05:45,969 uh, kind of shortchanging you. SCOTT: It's not the end if you don't get through 98 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,180 your first exam. HEATHER [on screen]: All right, Soo, thank 89 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:49,180 you very much. SOO [on screen]: Thanks, Heather. 90 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:50,680 HEATHER [on screen]: Have a good day. SOO [on screen]: Bye, bye. 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,430 SCOTT: Nine times out of ten really, if you don't get through your first exam, you're 92 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:59,069 going to come back for another exam. And that's because we understand what it is to go through 93 00:05:59,069 --> 00:06:04,650 a polygraph and how nerve-wracking that can be and how hard it is to kind of really absorb 94 00:06:04,650 --> 00:06:09,349 everything and so we want to give you every opportunity to be able to come in and successfully 95 00:06:09,349 --> 00:06:16,349 complete it. REBA: The whole process was much easier than 96 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:21,979 I expected. CURTIS: It was actually very calm, quiet, 97 00:06:21,979 --> 00:06:25,479 comfortable and actually not a bad experience at all. 98 00:06:25,479 --> 00:06:31,120 SOO: Overall, I thought the experience was not alarming ... it was a lot easier than 99 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,990 I thought it would be. CURTIS: They were actually very good at helping 100 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:37,490 me relax, telling me the questions and helping me get through the polygraph. 101 00:06:37,490 --> 00:06:42,839 VANESSA: Don't always listen to the stories that people tell about polygraph. 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:48,629 REBA: Relax, speak your mind, tell the truth ... it's going to be fine. There's nothing 103 00:06:48,629 --> 00:06:54,860 to worry about. SCOTT: For more details about the polygraph 104 00:06:54,860 --> 00:06:59,219 ask your representative for a copy of this pamphlet. It contains detailed information 105 00:06:59,219 --> 00:07:03,979 about pre-test preparation, health considerations, and answers to frequently asked questions.