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OTRS for Category:Melissa Bachman photos[edit]

Continuing from OTRS/Noticeboard#Do_we_accept_the_word_of_photograph_subjects_that_they_own_the_rights_to_submitted_PR_photos.3F - first, thanks for getting back to me! I was afraid no one would answer.

However, what you say is weird, I could have sworn that forwarding the owner's release email to OTRS was a recommended method. I'm quite sure I've done so before with multiple other image releases, since 2008 or so, and had them approved. (I still have the emails, though I'm afraid to specify them now, in case you will now want to overrule the original OTRS approval!)

In fact, yes, COM:OTRS still says:

"I have received permission from the original author (not me) to upload the file to Commons."
Please forward us a permission statement to the address listed above.

Has this changed without being documented? When, and why? If you're seriously worried about forgery due to the forwarding, then the "using her official email" is no more of a proof, as the "from" address in an email can be forged even more easily than the actual text, it's just the -f argument to sendmail (available on almost any Linux box). At least to forge the release's text content you have to use creativity. :-) --GRuban (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Let me destroy the -f argument first. Quote: -f can only be used by trusted users (normally root, daemon, and network). I get your point tho. BUT: I personally rarely (almost never) accept forwarded mails. It's not a matter of trust, just my way of doing things. Other agents do it similar. Seems you have had luck in the past and your tickets slipped through. I guess the English help page never got updated, the German version is more specific about this. BTW: I never overrule another OTRS-agent, not unless there's proof of malice. And that's what admins are for on OTRS. I suggest to ask M Bachman via her contact form to send an OK-email (naming URLs, author (photographer) and LICENSE!) to OTRS using the ticket number you already have. I don't think there's a need for a DL or such if the email is XYZ@melissabachman.com. You can let her know that her personal data (email address etc.) are privileged information and only visible to OTRS-agents and won't be given out. I know there has been some trouble with her Facebook page or was it Twitter? Don't remember. That's about it. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually, everyone with their own Linux box has root permission. The only way you don't have it is when you're using someone else's system. But whatever. OK, let me confirm: I should ask people to send their assertion of license ownership to permissions@wikimedia-commons.org, not to me, and that will be enough. They don't have to scan in the photographer's contract, and their driver's licences. Correct? --GRuban (talk) 14:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, have them send it. That's a safe(r) bet. You can start the process by sending the initial permission to OTRS and have the photographer use the ticket number in the email subject line. Or ask them what the ticket nr is and let me know. I am happy to process the ticket for you asap. And thanks for the Linux lesson! I didn't know that. café --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 23:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Ticket#2016051410011941 if you want to read the gory details. But I'd like to be sure - I've already written the lady once, saying she just has to email me. If I then write her that she just has to email permissions@, then when she actually does it two months later (that's how long it took her to respond the first time!), we find out that she does need to scan in the signed photographer's contract and/or her driver's license, that will be annoying. (And embarrassing - asking someone I don't know to scan in legal documents takes a lot of chutzpah.) Can you please confirm whether just an email from her address will be enough? --GRuban (talk) 01:17, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Affirmative. email from xyz@mbachman.com or whatever her webpage is, will be sufficient to prove the origin of the media beyond reasonable doubt. In addition, she's verifying that she's the copyright holder. That's plenty of proof. Good luck!--Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:11, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, got in touch with Ms. Bachman. She's got a Twitter account which is clearly hers: https://twitter.com/melissabachman - she's had it for 7 years, it's linked-to from the bottom of http://melissabachman.com/ etc. She says it will be easier for her to post on that Twitter account than on her web site. I would like to confirm that having her post on it: "I own the rights to the six images in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Melissa_Bachman and release them under the license at https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/" would be a sufficient release. --GRuban (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

@GRuban: No, that's not sufficient at all. The sentence doesn't specify anything. I urge you to do the OTRS email thing, that's the best and easiest way. The whole problem would have been solved by now.... :( --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that apparently she doesn't have, or at least use, an @melissabachman.com email. The email she responds to me from is not from that domain. Not all domains come with an email server, strangely enough; or at least she doesn't use it. She does have that twitter account, though. What can I ask her to write there that you would approve? --GRuban (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
@GRuban: I didn't think of the obvious. I contacted M. Bachmann via her contact form. Let's see what happens. :-) --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 02:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

She put the pics and release up on her site after all: http://melissabachman.com/photo-release/ Good enough now? --GRuban (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Allium gigenteum 2016.jpg[edit]

Giganteum with a and "(Liebig)" rather than "2016".--Mehlauge (talk) 05:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done Beide Dateien umbenannt. LG, --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Petersburg – Channel 5 and Zara (Russian singer)[edit]

Hello!

You deleted:

I know user Irephar, he really works at en:Petersburg – Channel 5. And he made the photo "Zara face bw 2016.jpg" of w:Zara (Russian singer).

I saw this photo at his page in the social network http://vk.com/irephar he is my friend. And I asked him to upload this fine photo to Commons. Why you deleted his page and the photo itself?

Please, could you restore his page and the photo? -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 05:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

P.S. And one more comment. If you look at the metadata of this photo, then you see the name of author of this deleted photo. -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Left note on RUwiki. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:49, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the answer. But I have the following question:
  • the page Commons:OTRS describes the situation: "When contacting OTRS is unnecessary":
  • case 2: "I created the file myself" - yes, User:Irephar created this photo and published it only at his own personal page in the social network link. And the author of the photo (User:Irephar) uploaded this photo (File:Zara face bw 2016.jpg) to the Commons. Dear Hedwig in Washington, are you sure that we need in OTRS in this case? -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 03:13, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, the names aren't the same. While typing I noticed the names are in fact the same. Forget OTRS. I'll restore the file in a minute. LG, --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much!!! -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 03:21, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
✓ Done --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:21, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Could you restore the page User:Irephar too, please. -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 03:22, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

There's no userpage, only weblinks. Should have a bit more than that, don't you think? --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Nothing but links. :-) I'm putting something together,. hold on.
✓ Done If you like, add some stuff. café --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I wish you a great day! If you someday will be in Russia and Petrozavodsk, you are welcome! -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I might take you up on the invitation. Have to buy a thicker coat, tho. ;-) --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 04:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Ticket#2016051710008538[edit]

Hello Hedwig, I was in contact with you concerning some pictures that I uploaded to the Commons and were deleted. I told you then that these pictures (of my father, during WWII) were taken from his personal album, and I believe them to be free of any copyright. You instructed me to send a message to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. And indeed I did so. A ticket was opened (Ticket#2016051710008538), but nothing - so far - was changed. And after the initial acknowledge, nobody seems to handle the issue. Would you be so kind as to see if you can help? Regards, M Naftalis Mnaftalis (talk) 05:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, there still is a problem. I do believe that you are who you are and that you inherited the photograph. The problem is the French (and EU) publication right. Here are links forf your infromation: {{PD-EU-unpublished}}, {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}}.
The first one doesn't apply, copyright protection was still in effect (70 years) -> Copyright restored in the USA, -> can't be on Commons before (at least) 2019.
Second template: Same problem. Solely published abroad, without compliance with US formalities or republication in the US, and not in the public domain in its home country as of URAA date (1996).
Commons:Copyright rules by territory/France states: Anonymous works are protected for 70 years after first publication. Same URAA problem as before.
Have a peek at w:en:Uruguay Round Agreements Act also.
The only way I see is that you find out two things: When did the photographer die? What is the date of first publication for this photo. We might get away with 25 years after death of author and posthumous publication. Sorry, I didn't make the copyright laws. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:48, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello Hedwig,
I have no idea who was the photographer. I can only assume that he was around age 30 in 1940! which means that he might very well being dead for already 25 years now (even if he was not killed during the war, that happened too). But this is really a wild guess! My father himself died in 1984. These photos - as well as any in his personal album - were never published (why should they?).
To summarize, and correct me if I am wrong, it seems that everything is suspected of being protected by a copyright, unless proven as not! a little draconian, isn't it?
I feel somehow frustrated, as I think that these original pictures could have improved the article.
Anyhow, thank you for your assistance, even if it seems to lead nowhere (feeling like in one of Franz Kafka's stories).
Regards, 04:43, 26 June 2016 (UTC)