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Idea for reference_url in template:Artwork[edit]

Hello,

do you think if would be feasible to use the qualifier "title" (P1476) of property "described at URL" (P973) to nicely render the link to the reference? I tried to do something myself before pestering you, it did not break anything but did not seem to do anything either [1]. I was checking the progress on File:Taweret-AF 2346-IMG 8029-gradient.jpg, where the URL http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&idNotice=19824 could render as "La déesse Touéris".

Thank you in any case for your very impressive work, and good continuation! Rama (talk) 12:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

When designing code on how to use wikidata properties, I always look at the qualifiers in use any try to concentrate on the ones people actually use. Looking at qualifiers of reference URL (P854) it seems like only 16 files use title (P1476) qualifier. So if you think you going to use it on your files (and maybe start a trend), we can add it but otherwise it is not going to make much of a difference. --Jarekt (talk) 12:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
I will look at Module:Wikidata_art. --Jarekt (talk) 12:50, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Rama, I moved the development to Module:Wikidata art/sandbox, where I prefer to experiment on version of the code which is not live, and I added your example of Taweret-AF 2346 (Q56571605) to Module talk:Wikidata art/sandbox/testcases, so we can use it as preview. I think the issue is that my getPropertyQual function does not handle "Monolingual text" qualifiers, since I never needed such functionality. I can add it this evening, or you can beforehand. Just do it on Module:Wikidata art/sandbox version. --Jarekt (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Right, will do! Thank you very much for your interest and support! I hope I eventually come to a sufficient understanding of your code base to contribute useful things. Cheers! Rama (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
PS: on the other hand I have no idea what the issue of "Monolingual text" qualifiers in getPropertyQual entails, so I will depend on you for this, but of course there is no rush. Cheers! Rama (talk) 09:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Jarekt, for reference URL (P854) you're right. For described at URL (P973) the equivalent query has just timed out for me. BTW: I'd also like this feature I think :-) Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 00:30, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Marsupium you are right, Rama asked about described at URL (P973) and I looked up reference URL (P854). I will be camping this week, leaving soon, I so I can not look at this. I am a bit confused because I thought I added titles and support to text+language data type to getPropertyQual function, but now I do not see it, in the current code, so will have to do some digging around to see how it got lost. --Jarekt (talk) 02:26, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
I toyed a little bit with the code in your sandbox but at some point you reverted it and I was afraid that I had messed with something...
Incidentally, User:Harmonia Amanda told me that "Title" might not be the ideal property from which to extract a string to prettify links; there might be another property to take into account (either in priority or in combination to the title). I'll try to ask her if she can provite actionable information on the topic.
Cheers! Rama (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, just to further the discussion a little but, is there anything useful that can be done with the code I had drafted here, or anything else more to the point that I could do to help? Cheers! Rama (talk) 09:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
PS: a aside, I think that template "Art Photo" has a small snag: its "Location" field is fed from "Collection" in Wikidata, which produces less than ideal results when museum have items of loan from other institutions. I'd be happy to give a hand if that does not cause more worries than it solves. Cheers! Rama (talk) 21:08, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Rama I was away for a week, and not I am preparing for WikiConference North America 2018, so it might be a while before I will go back to working on template:Artwork. --Jarekt (talk) 17:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Rama I deployed changes based on your code. I tested it, but please verify it works properly. --Jarekt (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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Rama, about "Art Photo"'s small snag: That part of code is the same for {{Art photo}} and {{Artwork}} templates. Can you provide examples where current approach does not work, and what would be an output you rather see. --Jarekt (talk) 12:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your time and attention!
I do not seem to be able to see the titles in the reference as the code should now implement it, I do not know why (I have tried different languages, Ctrl-F5ing the pages, previews...). Maybe something that the servers will catch up to.
The little issue I have with collections and locations can be seen at File:Paris as a shepherd by Auguste Renoir-MG 2858-IMG 1078-gradient.jpg, for instance: the work is in the collection of the FNAC (Fonds national d'art contemporain), which lent it to the Musem of Grenble, where it is on display. This is how things are described in Wikidata, but {{Artwork}} translates this as the location being both the FNAC and Grenoble, which makes no sense. I think we should source "Location" from P276 but not from P195.
Thank you again, good continuation to you, and a very enjoyable Wikiconference! Rama (talk) 19:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I have found and corrected the problem: you included my code for the URLs, but not the one you have written in the internal functions to feed monolingual text to my code. I added your code to the production version of Artwork and now everything seems to be in order. I hope I did not break anything.
I also tried to add support for online catalogues, the code I tested in the sandbox seemed to run fine so I copied in into Artwork as well. Meanwhile Marsupium has already found ways to improve it so I'll look into this.
Cheers! Rama (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Links to Holocaust denial websites[edit]

When you created the Stroop Report and pages for some of the individual images, such as File:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 13.jpg, you included links and references to Holocaust denial websites, including the Institute for Historical Review and a web blog called "Holocaust Controversies". I realize that the sourcing standard for Commons seems to be considerably lower than would be accepted at Wikipedia, but linking to Holocaust denying material should not be acceptable. (I don't know if you knew that these sites promulgated Holocaust denial—they are disguised to look legitimate, and Google often returns Holocaust denying material over legitimate websites). Catrìona (talk) 14:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Catrìona, that is a good point. I did not realized any of the websites I sourced were denial websites. However, I am searching for the highest quality version of each photograph I can find, and if holocaust denial websites host them than that is where I will get them. I am on vacation at the moment with very slow connection, but I agree that we should remove such links. If you can do it it would be great, but if not I will look into it after I come back. Thanks for pointing it out. --Jarekt (talk) 00:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I have no problem with sourcing images from the best quality version, my issue is with using these websites as sources in image descriptions (such as this oneThe Journal of Historical Review is a known Holocaust denying "journal"). Holocaust deniers frequently use well known images such as the en:Captured Hehalutz fighters photograph‎ and en:A Jewish boy surrenders in Warsaw to "prove" that the Holocaust must not be that bad if some of the people photographed (allegedly) survived. Catrìona (talk) 02:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Catrìona, I am still traveling, but if you believe information is true and can provide alternative sources to support the descriptions, than please feel free to swap the sources. Otherwise I will look into it latter this week. --Jarekt (talk) 00:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Template translation[edit]

Where can I put the translation request for Template:Artwork?--MaGa 10:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

If you're looking for the left column labels it seems they mainly come from translatewiki, e.g. translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wm-license-artwork-notes/qqq, some perhaps from Module:I18n/artwork … --Marsupium (talk) 13:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
User:MaGa, Yes they are all over the place. let me know which one you want to translate and to what and I will try to figure it out. --Jarekt (talk) 00:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm a little bit confused. There is difference between template example (at the top of the page), and variables of the template (in documentation section). Is there any possibility to see all variables with corresponding translation (if it exists)?--MaGa 19:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Template:Artwork is sort of in the flux, as I will allow many fields from {{Photographer}} and {{Book}} in it. The newest version is at Module:Artwork/sandbox starting with line 207. There are 3 ways field name is translated:
  • Fields with tag='wm-license come from translatewiki
  • Fields with tag='Q come from wikidata
  • Other fields are translated at Module:I18n/artwork
--Jarekt (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to Modul, but, I don't understant it. Below are untranslated fields in Template:Artwork:
  • Object type -> Vrsta
  • Original caption -> Izvorni naslov
  • Depicted people -> Prikazane osobe
  • Prikazana lokacija -> Prikazano mjesto (correction of existing translation)
  • Lokacija -> Mjesto (correction of existing translation)
  • place of creation -> Mjesto nastanka
  • lokacija pronalaska -> Mjesto pronalaska (correction of existing translation)
  • Exhibition history -> Povijest izlaganja
  • Authority control -> Normativni nadzor
  • Institution -> Ustanova
If there's more untraslated fields, please let me know. Thanks.--MaGa 14:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
✓ Done Please see here] for others that might be missing in the future version. Possibly "Designer", or "Publisher" might be wrong. --Jarekt (talk) 03:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Great. Translation of Publisher is Izdavač, and Designer is Dizajner--MaGa 10:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Many, many thanks.--MaGa 16:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-41[edit]

23:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Request[edit]

Hi Jarek, can you have a look? The files have been overwritten. 1 and 2 Thank you! PS. I do remember about your request, I will visit the library end of this month. I am sorry for this delay. Boston9 (talk) 12:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting keep.svg Fixed --Jarekt (talk) 17:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Clarification needed[edit]

Hi, Jarekt! Can you clarify, who is who on this photo, please?--Yellow Horror (talk) 06:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Yellow Horror, I have no idea who is who. I just scanned the photo and provided the caption. --Jarekt (talk) 11:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Do you still have access to the source? Can you give me a look at the page(s) that is illustrated with the photo so that i can check the context?--Yellow Horror (talk) 12:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I still have it somewhere, but I do not think there will be more information there. Your best bet would be to to find other photographs of both women and see if you can identify them. --Jarekt (talk) 12:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
By the way, Wanda Jarszewska was 20 years older than Stanisława Angel-Engelówna, so I guess she is on the right. --Jarekt (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-42[edit]

22:40, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Wikidata place[edit]

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✓ deleted --Jarekt (talk) 12:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Copyrights in relation to patents[edit]

Hi Jarekt! I noticed that in the past you were involved with patent license templates for uploaded files. Please join a discussion on the topic here: c:COM:Village pump/Copyright#Reproductions_of_patent_text_and_illustrations. —Catsquisher (talk) 18:03, 16 October 2018 (UTC)Catsquisher (talk) 17:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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