Talk:Cape Town

Hallo, ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Circus der in den 60 igern rund um Kapstadt gastiert haben soll. Kann mir jemand weiterhelfen? Liebe Grüsse...

Move

I moved it to Kaapstad, because thats what the majority of the people in the city say. 60% of the city speaks afrikaans, and the name in afrikaans is Kaapstad, if someone wants to contact me , send me a message on my afrikaans account here

Request to move

I am requesting to move the page to Kaapstad (the native language) because some 41% of the population of cape town [1] call it that nativley. This is only fair since other major cities have their native names used. 41% is more then enought to move because the next biggest language is at 28%, which is xhosa, english follows at 27% (declining). It should also be noted that the province the city is in (Western Cape) has more then 60% of the population speaking afrikaans as their native tongue. Please move it and do the 'native thing'. --Africa South (talk) 21:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I think this is an unreasonable request. I am a resident of Cape Town, and although a native English speaker, is heltemaal tweetalig. My oupa was 'n boer en het in die Boer-oorlog teen die Engilse geveg. South Africa has 11 official languages, of which English and Afrikaans are only two. I disagree that Cape Town is predominantly Afrikaans speaking. The lingua-franca is English, and is used in Courts, Government, Commerce and for Tourism, besides being spoken by much of the population. A possible solution is to create a page called "Kaapstad" and do a redirect to the present page. Andrew massyn (talk) 18:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

 Comment - Is it really a problem to keep the name Cape Town and redirect all other names to it? I don't think it will make a difference what the name is. Abigor talk 18:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm a south african too, but the majority of cape town is coloured, who mostly speak afrikaans (and with their family or at home they say Kaapstad - it is reasonable because many cities with only slight majorities allow them to have their native name for the city to be used. I know english is probably more used, but you can say the same in every south african city. Can't we create a billingual page name? --Africa South (talk) 14:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

South Africa having 11 official languages doesn't mean anything in a city with only 3 major languages (of which afrikaans is at 41%).--Africa South (talk) 14:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry that i was so unreasonable, i guess i was still a bit annoyed because no one gave me a reason why my move was reverted.--Africa South (talk) 14:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I really don't think the request is unreasonable at all. Per Commons' Language Policy, place pages should be in the native language. Note that Belgian cities follow the "majority speakers" rule. For example: Flemish "Antwerpen" instead of French "Anvers", but French "Liege" instead of the Flemish "Luik". Anrie (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The same goes for Switzerland (4 official languages): Bern (German) en Genève (French). Anrie (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

To add, a better link for the 41% native Afrikaans speakers is www.capetown.gov.za. Anrie (talk) 19:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

So can we move the city to Kaapstad? If people are too upset because they think Cape town is 'english' can't we create a billingual name? such as Biel/Bienne, which has 2 names (despite germans having a majority). --Africa South (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I contacted Abigor on his talk page - he protected the page from being moved. Anrie (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I have put a link to the 2001 stats census re home languages for Cape Town. Andrew massyn (talk) 13:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/stats/2001census/Documents/Home_Language.mht

Thank you for the link, Andrew. Are you still against a move? Anrie (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Kaapstad

If I understand correct you want the page moved to Kaapstad? Is this correct?

I am happy to move it but the protection stays before a nother move war starts.

Are there any oppose reasons for this move? Best regards, Abigor talk 21:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

This is correct. There seems to be no valid oppositions, even Andrew who originally subjected that Afrikaans wasn't the majority language, has since provided a link that shows otherwise. Anrie (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done - but the protection stays for a little time longer, just to make sure nobody moves the page again and again and again. I hope all problems are solved now. Abigor talk 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)