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Re: Botanic and category suppression[edit]

I have restored ctgr's, please create redirects. Regards, --Klemen Kocjančič (Pogovor - Quick response) 15:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


Wikispecies now follows the 7 sub-family circumscription for Lamiaceae, perhaps Commons should follow this? There is still work to be done for incertae sedis, but we are getting there! Thanks.Andyboorman (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem.
I finish Fabaceae and I will do Lamiaceae. There does not seem to be a big difference between our 3 sources (species follows GRIN), except Ajugoideae and Teucrioideae that have almost the same content.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Help by an expert[edit]

Salu Liné1,
could you help me with your specialist knowledge please?
Problem: Wikispecies - wikispecies:Template:FOC25 - e.g. wikispecies:Arachnis (Orchidaceae).
Could you change the software of the template, that the used template "BASEPAGENAME" is in function without e.g. (Orchidaceae) or (orchid) in the title?
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 15:22, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC) me reveille et toute est près toutesuite :-). Merci beaucoup. Orchi (talk) 07:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


Hi Liné, I think your automatic adding of a Taxonav to Category:Komba is problematic. Do we need a separate Komba (genus) page? HYanWong (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

You are right. What was I thinking. Thanks Liné1 (talk) 05:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Asterina pectinifera[edit]


Please look at the talk page of this category. cheers. DenesFeri (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

The same thing with Asterina miniata. DenesFeri (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done Cheers Liné1 (talk) 14:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! DenesFeri (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome Liné1 (talk) 14:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Bot applying to redirects[edit]

I noticed your bot added a header to a REDIRECT page, here. Please don't do that. 17:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello. It is also a pleasure to meet you.
What you describe is obviously a bug. I will correct it right away.
Best regards, Liné1 (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Category:Pachliopta aristolochiae[edit]

Why this is redirecting to Category:Atrophaneura aristolochiae? The current acceptable name seems Pachliopta aristolochiae. Jee 17:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry my friend. I am not much of an entomologist. So I cannot really answer your exact question.
But I can tell you one thing:
In commons, for species, we usually avoid to rename categories.
This because:
  • renaming a category means modifying all its media. (even if it is easy with cat-a-lot)
  • species are often renamed (sometimes back to an old name)
There are exceptions of course:
  • the existing category is obviously badly named (orthograph, really deprecated name...)
What I would do in such case:
  • provide as much sources as you can about the name and synonymy in the category (I just tried, but I do not know much sources)
  • move the more accepted species first in {{VN}} (I just did)
  • add "(Prefered by ...)" at the end of this first VN entry.
I hope it helped.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I understand. I had reversed many such categories and re-cat all files with the help of VFC. But I think it better to leave them as they are, now onward. But the reason "Pachliopta aristolochiae is a synonym of Atrophaneura aristolochiae" is misleading. :( Jee 17:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you about the message.
Truth is: I am not english ;-) neither the best biologist ;-)
Do you have an idea of another message ?
We have to tell that the 2 names are synonyms, but there is no assurance wich one is the more accepted.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I will ask Shyamal to look into this. Jee 03:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I do not really have a solution for this. I think there are many situations were sources use differing placements without a sound reasoning. I think it would be good to put it in any one of the categories but the text stating something like - "This species has been treated under multiple alternative genus placements and the current name has been chosen over others for convenience. Do not move to other placements unless there is a definite case for the other placement." - of course I think one might also claim that the category rename mechanism is buggy if the contents are not automatically retagged. Shyamal (talk) 11:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Shyamal directed me here! There is no doubt that Pachliopta is the correct generic name as of today. Atrophaneura has only two species in India - varuna & aidoneus. As to why the redirect is so? Probably no Aurelian (Lepidoptera lover) has as yet taken up the job to clean up the Commons! AshLin (talk) 11:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Guys, there are 3 discussions here:
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Taxonav changes[edit]

Hi Liné - thanks! That was what I thought too, strange, as he is an admin, so I assumed he knew what he was doing. Would you like to change them back please, I fear to tread on these templates which I know nothing about the workings of ;-) - MPF (talk) 19:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Done, as requested ;-) MPF (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorting of diverses in categories[edit]

Salu Liné1, can we find a uniform way?
Category:Iridaceae botanical illustrations etc. you use „*“
Category:Hypericaceae botanical illustrations etc. you delete „*“

I would prefer to separate these Diverses from your automatic produced "Species of -, Genera of - etc. of familia"
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 21:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello @Orchi
I understand as I also like uniform ways.
In fact I don't like "*" because it looks too much "computer" thing ;-)
So what about:
  • Proposition 1:
    • I change all "Species of ", "Genera of " sortkey for "•" or "·" or "°" (Or anything else) (Change in a single template only)
    • all other diverses with sortkey " " (nothing after " ")
  • Proposition 2:
    • all other diverses with sortkey "•" (nothing after "•")
  • Proposition 3:
    • If there is only "Species of" => all other diverses with sortkey " " (nothing after " ")
    • If there is "Species of" and "Genera of" ... => all other diverses with sortkey "*" (nothing after "*")
  • Proposition 4:
    • all other diverses with sortkey "*" (nothing after "*")
If we agree, you can count on me to enforce the new rules ;-)
Look at Category:Iridaceae for the different position of "•" and "·" and "°"
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Salu Liné1,
I would prefer your Proposition 1 (with * for Species of - etc.  ;-)) specially for the friends of the various categories to the top; or Pos. 3.
In the past, I believe, was the most used way your Proposition 3.
(Maybe we can find in the future a category - name for the collection of the various categories.)
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 14:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, @Orchi, "propositon 1"
what about "proposition 1bis:
  • all other categories with sortkey " " (nothing after " ")
  • "Species of ", "Genera of " with sortkey "." (which is just after " " but before "?")
I prefer "." because it does not conflict with current "*".
Look at Category:Iridaceae
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
...I agree. Perhaps even two little proposals: to keep " * " for cultivars and a litte sorting change here: Template:TaxonavigationAutoCategory/ (as test)
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 10:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
my greenhorn test to sort was not successful. My aim was: under " . " Species of - etc. on the top. :-(. Orchi (talk) 11:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
The thing is: Once you modify Template:TaxonavigationAutoCategory/ you have to wait to see the effect. Or do a small modification of a "Species of" cat to see the result. Liné1 (talk) 11:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
...the impatient old man. Orchi (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)