Category talk:Bury, Greater Manchester

I am proposing moving this to Category:Bury, Greater Manchester (town). The name "Bury" is highly ambiguous and is a common dictionary word. There are also numerous other places and meanings called "Bury". I previously moved this to Bury, Greater Manchester but I was pointed out that the target doesn't resolve ambiguity with the district. This title matches Category:Windermere, Cumbria (town) which was discussed at w:Talk:Windermere, Cumbria (town)#Requested move 16 January 2016. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

 Oppose While Bury is ambiguous, only the place in NW England has any significance its a town of 78,000 compared to a half dozen villages with at most 2,000 - its population is several times more than the combined population of the other Burys. That wouldn't be true if Bury St Edmunds was normally called "Bury", but it normally is called "Bury St Edmunds" in full (even by the local media in Suffolk) so it isn't really a factor.

There is no issue with the dictionary word. Categories for actions are at the noun form not the verb form, so in this case "burial" not "bury". That reflects practice on other sites as well (eg a Flickr for Bury returns photos of the town, not funerals), and that isn't causing any issues in practice.

The only significant ambiguity is with the Metropolitan District that contains the town of Bury. However, the borough is rarely if ever called plain "Bury" - which is understood to mean the town itself. If Bury is moved away from the base name here, then it should be done in such a way to remove the ambiguity with the borough - as incomplete disambiguation should be avoided. "Bury, Greater Manchester (town)" is preferable to "Bury, Greater Manchester". But "Bury" is preferable to both.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Agree with your first point

But you can't really assume readers searching for the dictionary wards (or similar) like burials will use those terms, if nothing else I would apply w:WP:ASTONISH.

I'd dispute your last point, "Bury, Greater Manchester" is not really an incomplete disambiguation unlike "Windermere, Cumbria" (where the lake is the primary concept article) due to the fact that the district is a sub-topic of the town, if anything that should make the towns claim stronger now weaker (see w:WP:DABCONCEPT), you can make the statement that "Bury", Greater Manchester has a population of 78,723 (town) and 187,474 (district). The only real problem I can see with titling this "Bury, Greater Manchester" is due to bots misscategorizing images, which would be a reason to fix the bots! I also agree with the 2nd point, the district anyway would be usually be refereed to as something more than just "Bury" like "Bury District" or "Bury Borough" etc. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Searches for verbs like "walk", "run", "eat", "die", "do" all fail on Commons. We do not host media of verbs, as a dictionary definition is pure text outside of Commons scope. In short, you can have a photo of "eating" but you can't of "eat". Maybe that is an issue, and verbs should redirect to the the equivalent nouns. However, that's not Commons practice at present. If you think it should be, take it to the Village Pump as a general point. However with existing practice the existence of the verb should not weigh on decision making. I'd point again to other searches - a Google search "bury" returns the place (and dictionary entries). An Google image search is likewise dominated by the place. People expect searches to return nouns not verbs.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I see that, I agree that this category might be OK, lets see what others say. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

I would note that with Google, you don't get anything on the main page for Wells (before when I have searched I got everything for Somerset apart from 1 for Wells-next-the-Sea but with bury you do get the dictionary word. This is even though Google, my previous searches and location will favour the place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nilfanion: I am re opening along with Bolton and Mansfield. I don't know how much longer I will have here as I don't want to be thinking too much about this if I am unblocked on Wikipedia. I would note that Category:Rush had images on rushing [1]. Category:Bury (town) may be another option if DAB is needed from district but there could be confusion with Bury Town F.C. and Bury St Edmunds. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:47, 8 December 2017 (UTC)