Category talk:Presentation of EZ10 buses in Tallinn (14 July 2017)
Category rename requested
[edit]This category needs to be renamed to the following:
Presentation of EZ10 buses in Tallinn (14 July 2017)
— for reasons grammatical: 'the' before 'EZ-10' is not required, as it's superfluous. 'the' would have been ok, if 'buses' were in singular ('bus') instead. -Mardus /talk 04:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- In addition the correct model number of the vehicle is
EZ10, without the dash. -Mardus /talk 03:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Mardus: I support the grammatical fixing. As regards the second case, the parent category Category:Ligier EZ-10 uses also a hyphen (not a dash), and some language versions of Wikipedia articles also (nl, sv). The usage seems to be not stabilized. What is the reason that the without-hyphen version should be more correct than the hyphen version? --ŠJů (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- @ŠJů: Official product literature should be reason enough. -Mardus /talk 06:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Mardus: The fact that even ONE linked of possible official handbills uses that form doesn't mean that EVERY official text uses it. The link just proves that the without-hyphen various exists officially. The graphic designer or marketing staffer is not every fully capable in grammar, spelling and typography. :-) It's a bit more difficult to prove that the hyphen variant is worse or even incorrect (maybe some Google test can be an idication, or analogous names). In some cases, producers or manufacturers or other authorities use more forms randomly and alternately. E.g. automobiles Tatra T 613 and Tatra T613, road E44 vs. E 44, the locomotive Škoda 109E is very often written as "109 E" etc. However, I renamed the Commons category and the hyphen varaint of Wikipedia articles to the hyphenless form recently. --ŠJů (talk) 08:06, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- @ŠJů: It's a primary source, and that's the official designation set by the manufacturer. OTOH, you would not spell 'Windows-10' with a dash, just because Microsoft has it, that the product really does not have a dash between 'Windows' and '10'? -Mardus /talk 08:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Mardus: The fact that even ONE linked of possible official handbills uses that form doesn't mean that EVERY official text uses it. The link just proves that the without-hyphen various exists officially. The graphic designer or marketing staffer is not every fully capable in grammar, spelling and typography. :-) It's a bit more difficult to prove that the hyphen variant is worse or even incorrect (maybe some Google test can be an idication, or analogous names). In some cases, producers or manufacturers or other authorities use more forms randomly and alternately. E.g. automobiles Tatra T 613 and Tatra T613, road E44 vs. E 44, the locomotive Škoda 109E is very often written as "109 E" etc. However, I renamed the Commons category and the hyphen varaint of Wikipedia articles to the hyphenless form recently. --ŠJů (talk) 08:06, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Parent categories
[edit]It's currently a subcategory of a ministerial meeting, since per edit summary that's what the "photo coverage taken by the predidency" should reveal. This is a misjudgement, because the photo coverage only reveals that the given event took place near the venue of the ministerial meeting, and metadata reveals that the two events took place on the same day, which however doesn't make the two directly related. Photo coverage also reveals that different people participated these events, not a single environment minister was present at the presentation. Per news coverage it was about later opening a bus line that would serve consequent presidency events, and again, people giving interviews weren't environment ministers nor anyone related to ministerial meeting.
Secondly, it's currently a subcategory of bus categories, eventhough only about half of the images prominently depict the buses. Even if it was "most images" (as per edit summary), I don't see a good reason to categorize the rest improperly, since we can easily categorize appropriate images as buses instead (was already done so). 90.191.76.154 14:51, 12 September 2017 (UTC)