Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:B17g and b52h in flight.jpg

File:B17g and b52h in flight.jpg, featured

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•  Info created by Master Sgt. Michael A. Kaplan - uploaded by Pimlottc - corrected by Jan Arkesteijn - nominated by Wolf (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Comment I'd give this picture a title like Who Should We Be Grateful To or something like that. Wolf (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Support -- Wolf (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Oppose The background is ruining that picture IMO. Having a beige/brown aircraft with a grey one against a... grey background is not pleasing. And on the side, I don't know why people of commons in general should be grateful to these airplanes... --S23678 (talk) 02:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • a) Yes, it's called camouflage b) Not of Commons - people in general. Wolf (talk) 06:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Neutral Composition is good, quality isn't (unsharp, noise on tailfin). On a side note, given that those are bomber aircraft, I really don't see how anyone could be grateful that they exist, except maybe for Boeing, the company that built them. -- JovanCormac 11:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  •  Comment Well, the B-17 carried much of the tonnage over Germany, and brought many crews home alive due to good design and performance. The B-52 was (and still is) a potent symbol of American military power, which one could argue, counterbalanced by Soviet forces, kept the world in a state of relative peace for 50 years. So I suppose, upon reflection, we do have something to be grateful for. Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
    • I and you and a couple million people can probably be very grateful indeed, but it's very americano/western civilization - centric. "We", as far as I'm concerned, includes the entire world, and should be used with a NPOV. --S23678 (talk) 02:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
      • I think you're mistaking us for Wikipedia. There's no requirement for a NPOV on Commons. Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 03:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
        • It has nothing to do with official rules. It's just that logic dictates that a worldwide project like Commons has nothing to gain from such nationalist propaganda in it's file names and descriptions, and that a NPOV is the best option. I'm wondering what name some pictures would get if we were to adopt a non-NPOV...! --S23678 (talk) 04:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
          • Airwolf and I are merely stating what we think; notice that the file isn't called "Who Should We Be Grateful To.jpg" and that the picture of GWB isn't called 'AmericanHero.jpg" or "howdidthisbuffooneverbecomepresident.jpg" There's a difference between expressing a view civilly, and being POINTy about it. And don't forget, you did ask why people should be grateful for planes like these, I'm simply giving you an answer. I've got no idea whether the 'correct' answer (if there is such a thing), but I don't see why I shouldn't state my opinion if you've asked for it. Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
            • I saw the comments of you 2 as arguments to change the picture's title. We were both right, just arguing on different levels. --S23678 (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
• That said, I'm afraid I'm going to have vote  Neutral as per Jovan. While I love the composition, the setting and quality (sharpness and noise) aren't the best. Also Jovan, I think you mean 'Boeing' :P Sarcastic ShockwaveLover (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I fixed that... -- JovanCormac 07:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Comment Who Should We Be Grateful To - what a ridiculous leading question for a title - for a start, that depends on your nationality/allegience, and of course the fact that were not all flag waving morons. Mtaylor848 (talk) 17:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Support Too many irrelevant arguments are used. These are military planes and they need illustrating. Having only "blue arrows" or other colours because that is pretty is rediculous and also does not illustrate the subject well. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 07:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Support for the photography (not voting on the title). Durova (talk) 18:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
•  Support - I don´t think the backgroung and the plane's body color make the contrast worse. The picture has a very accurate exposure as well as a good DoF and excellent resolution, so I think it´s among the featured-deserved pictures. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 09:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
•  Support Maybe in a Hollywood film the airplanes looks better than this, but this is a real image captured by a normal camera in a real flight. --Cesco77 (talk) 11:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed results:

Result: 5 support, 1 oppose, 2 neutral → featured. /Ikiwaner (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

This image will be added to the FP gallery: Objects/Vehicles#Air