Commons:Valued image candidates/American kestrel (44273).jpg

American kestrel (44273).jpg

promoted

Image
Nominated by	— Rhododendrites talk |  on 2021-02-23 12:11 (UTC)
Scope	Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Falco sparverius (American kestrel), with handler
Used in	Global usage
Review (criteria)	Comment Despite my username I don't think I'm qualified to pick the best image of a kestrel among the many in that category! —Percival Kestreltail (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)  Comment The scope is not properly formatted. The binomial name should be in italics followed by the english common name in parenthesis. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)  Done I think. "Captive" is part of the category, though. Should it be "(American kestrel), captive", "(American kestrel, captive)", or "(captive) (American kestrel)"? — Rhododendrites talk |  16:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)  Support Perfect now --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)  Comment The scope is not quite right. We do not have scopes of captive birds (i.e. zoo) as opposed to wild birds. But this image could have a valid scope if the anklet/jess or whatever you want to call it is mentioned. Charlesjsharp (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC) I could've sworn I've seen zoo/captive specified in other scopes. Why wouldn't that be something we'd have? — Rhododendrites talk |  20:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)  Oppose I've not seen captive scope and I seem to remember Archaeodontosaurus agreeing that we don't have scopes for animals in specific zoos etc. THis issue comes up from time to time. It adds to value at all. Charlesjsharp (talk) 22:04, 28 February 2021 (UTC) A single "captive" scope is not at all like scopes for animals in specific zoos. — Rhododendrites talk |  22:41, 28 February 2021 (UTC)  Comment The current scope is good in the sense that captive and zoo are not synonymous. I can see a captive falcon in a 16th century painting it is not in a zoo. The scope describes the content of the image well. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)  Comment My take on this is that where captivity is not visible, it's not a useful scope. In this case, the bird is clearly captive, so the scope seems useful to me. What's the issue with that? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)  Comment as I said above "this image could have a valid scope if the anklet/jess or whatever you want to call it is mentioned". Charlesjsharp (talk) 22:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)  Comment Sure. Or "captive with anklet", whatever. Rhododendrites, would you like to try to agree on a phrasing that will satisfy everyone? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)  Support And looks best in scope to me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC) Operating under the assumption that Charles' primary objection is that simply "captive" could also apply to any animal that happens to be, say, in a zoo, what about this for another alternative: "...kestrel, with handler"? — Rhododendrites talk |  03:30, 2 March 2021 (UTC) Charlesjsharp, OK with you? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC) sure. Charlesjsharp (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)  Done — Rhododendrites talk |  19:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC) Thanks  Support Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC) Result: 3 support, 0 oppose => promoted. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)