File talk:一-mingti-kangxi.svg

沈澄心's smoothed version

Not only the Chinese characters have irregularities as in ancient print

Today 沈澄心 uploaded a beautiful smoothed version of this graphic. My concern is that this file is part of a series of illustrations, all in the same style, that is collected in Category:The 214 Kangxi radicals in the dictionary’s own style (in SVG format) and renamed by Yug to match the naming conventions of the Ancient Chinese characters project. That style intends to emulate the visual aspect in ancient dictionaries, and even the Latin letters in the "List of the 214 Kangxi Radicals" show irregularities that are intended to convey the impression of pre-modern print. Perhaps we can restore the old version and upload the new one under a different file name. Or do you, 沈澄心, intend to upload a complete new series of Kangxi radical SVGs? In that case we should adapt our naming conventions to allow for two series. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@LiliCharlie: I intend to upload SVG files created from high-definition PDF files of 康熙字典內府刊本. I think irregularities should be removed because they're not part of glyphs. See step 5 of Commons:Ancient Chinese characters project/Tutorial#Conversion using Inkscape. --沈澄心✉ 03:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@沈澄心: To get the history straight: I uploaded this series under quite different file names before I was aware of the Ancient Chinese characters project and before the project people were aware of me. And the series wasn't only meant to illustrate a calligraphic style, but also to illustrate a stage in the history of print, through facsimile reproductions. And, as I wrote above, this not only applies to the Chinese characters involved, but also to the Latin letters. So the bottom line is: I would like to keep my series for a different purpose than the one you have in mind. If they also serve as alternative graphics in the Ancient Chinese characters project, the better, but that's not a requirement and certainly not the main reason for keeping them.

@Yug: As someone who knows how to bulk-rename files, can we agree on a naming scheme and give my files more appropriate names? Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 14:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@沈澄心: Thank you for this initiative. Smooth Kangxi shapes would be a plus, yes. One series has for purpose to show the ideal Kangxi shape, the other has historical and stylistic value. We have here a new question which never occurred before on the Ancient Chinese Characters project. Yet we actually may have an elegant solution. 沈, would you like to upload your characters with the *-mingti-Kangxi.svg suffix ? Both series indeed are mingti kangxi style, so this simple capitalized “ K ” could be an ideal differentiation.

LiliCharlie, how does this sound to you ? Yug (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Yug. I consider my "unsmoothed" graphics a (slight) deviation from the project's tradition, so ideally it should be my files that get exceptional names. But then again, we'd have to get rid of the redirects the renaming creates, but as soon as we remove the redirects all pages that use the files would suffer and utterly confuse users, if only temporarily. So your proposal is probably the best solution available. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

P.S.: On the other hand, it's quite natural to capitalize the proper name Kangxi, so perhaps the current file names are already the exceptional ones. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 21:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@LiliCharlie BTW, which version of Kangxi Dictionary did you create File:List of the 214 Kangxi Radicals - old style.svg from? 沈澄心✉ 03:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

康熙字典　清・张玉书等编　上海书店出版

, 1st ed., December 1985, dark blue cover, 10.50元. I remember the shop assistant seemed beyond 70, she probably died decades ago. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 04:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)