File talk:Adolf imagina klarenthal.jpg

The description from the publication is wrong according to [1]. There it is stated that these two figures are thought to be Jesus Christ and his mother Maria. Royalty & Nassau Expert (talk) 23:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Royalty & Nassau Expert: Yeah, you're right. The complete image is here. Adolf, Imagina and their children are below the church's model. You can even read their names above their heads. Mhmrodrigues (talk) 22:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Please see this discussion. In summary, there exist at least three different interpretations regarding the depicted detail. I've extended the description with a summary of the conflicting interpretations. (BTW, the third interpretation is that this could be Henry II and his wife Cunigunde which are both saints and which are the predecessors of Adolf and Imagina.) But we do not decide at Commons which of these three interpretations is correct. The source given by the uploader identifies this as Adolf of Nassau and his wife Imagina. Hence, there was never sufficient ground for renaming and for changing the interpretation. I've consequently moved it back to the original file name and restored the original description. In general, I would recommend to contact the uploader first. --AFBorchert (talk) 18:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Please read [DI 51, Wiesbaden, Nr. 20† (Yvonne Monsees) to see who are depicted on this picture. Royalty & Nassau Expert (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Please read my updated description which already quotes from that page. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

You added a link that doesn't explain anything. One either believes the website [DI 51, Wiesbaden, Nr. 20† (Yvonne Monsees), or one believes the article by Pierre Even, that only gives a part of the complete drawing. I have more faith in the interpretation by Yvonne Monsees, because she mentions what is written on the original drawing. That it might be Emperor Henry II and his wife, is an alternative. But that it are Adolf and Imagina is impossible. Simply believing an uploader is not good enough for me. But I have lost my faith in all Wikipedia projects several months ago. Royalty & Nassau Expert (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you able to follow the German discussion at the link above and to read my German description? Are you able to read the German text you refer to? Do you understand that there exist three different interpretations of this image? --AFBorchert (talk) 22:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I have read the description. And the whole idea that it are Adolf and Imagina is ridiculous. Look at the complete picture. Nobody can seriously think that Adolf and Imagina, who are depicted below in the wall painting, commissioned a wall painting that would depict them devoting Klarenthal Abbey to themselves. That would have been an act of blasphemy. This is the last I'm going to say about it. Royalty & Nassau Expert (talk) 13:27, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Royalty & Nassau Expert: I personally do not defend the attribution by Pierre Even – just the opposite. But this does not mean that we can be sure that these figures depict Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary due to the odd iconography. --AFBorchert (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reaction. I agree with you that we cannot be sure that these figures depict Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary. The only point I was trying to make that these figures cannot be Adolf and Imagina. Royalty & Nassau Expert (talk) 23:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)