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Problem mit zwei hochgeladenen Dateien[edit]

Hallo AFBorchert, ich habe gerade diese zwei Dateien hochgeladen ([1] und [2]).

Ich bekomme dort nur File usage on Commons und nicht wie üblich u.a. Use this file bei Weitere Einzelheiten angezeigt. Ich kann sie daher auch nicht in Artikeln einbinden.

Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, dass ich beim Hochladen etwas anders gemacht habe als bisher.

Gruß --Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kannst du die beiden Dateien bitte löschen; es sind die falschen. Trotzdem würde mich interessieren, warum das Einbinden nicht ging.

Danke und Gruß--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hallo Wanfried-Dublin, ich habe die beiden Dateien wie gewünscht gelöscht. Ich sehe nicht, wo es ein Problem beim Einbinden hätte geben können. Mir fiel nur jeweils auf, dass Du die {{En}}-Vorlage nur geöffnet, jedoch nie geschlossen hast. Dadurch fand die {{Information}}-Vorlage nicht die schließenden geschweiften Klammern. Viele Grüße, AFBorchert (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Danke und Grüße aus Dublin.--Wanfried-Dublin (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gothic churches Category[edit]

I note that you have been removing this category from a lot of categories. But you have not been replacing it with an appropriate alternative such as "neo gothic" or "gothic revival". Why is this? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Laurel Lodged, thank you for your message. I wanted to contact you as well but unfortunately I had not much time yesterday. You added numerous churches to Category:Gothic churches in Ireland without being Gothic at all. All these changes were plain wrong and I do not know how you came up with these categorizations. Such categorizations should not be done without knowing somewhat about architectural styles. For many of these churches we need better categories than Gothic Revival as there was an extensive period where some elements like pointed arches were preserved but where the builders had no deeper understanding of the Gothic architectural style. In mid-19th-century, Gothic Revival started after a deep study of medieval Gothic architecture. One of the most prominent architects was Augustus W. Pugin who worked in Ireland himself and influenced others like James Joseph McCarthy. Sometimes the style before is called Georgian Gothic for which we have no category yet. Another user used Gothick instead but this term is not really established for these kind of churches in Ireland. In my opionion it is best to avoid a categorization in this regard as long as we have no truly fitting category. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The reason that I made so many interventions in the Gothic category was to correct the errors of another editor who used the spelling "Gothick". I thought it best to correct the spelling and then to examine the articles later to see if they were indeed Gothic. Many are not Gothic; however, some are indeed Gothic-revival. Why do you say that churches such as "Category:Sacred Heart, Templemore" are not Gothic-revival? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Laurel Lodged, two things: Firstly, “Gothick“ is not a spelling error, see Gothick. However it is uncommon within an Irish context – at least I haven't seen this term yet in scholarly literature about Irish architecture. Secondly, Category:Sacred Heart, Templemore is Gothic Revival but not Gothic. I didn't add Gothic Revival for this church yesterday because of my limited time. I wanted to get rid of the wrong Gothic attributions first. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think that the spelling variant is a local Irish issue; the Category:Gothick is currently unpopulated. Is it your intention to revisit all those categories from which you removed the Gothic category to see if they are eligible for Gothic-revival or similar category? Thanks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Laurel Lodged, apparently you misunderstood me. “Gothick“ is not a “spelling variant” of “Gothic”. “Gothick“ describes post-medieval architecture with pointed archs etc. that predates the proper “Gothic Revival” period where medieval Gothic architecture became studied again. The term “revival” is commonly used in connection with a style, if a style of previous times is revisited again after carefully studying and understanding it. (This, however, does not mean that it is meticulously cloned but properly eclecticized and merged into something new.) But for some extended period we have buildings which mimick selected elements of the Gothic style without any deeper understanding. “Gothic Revival” as term appears inappropriate as the Gothic style has not been properly revived again in these buildings, hence “Gothick” is sometimes used as a somewhat derogatory term to describe this kind of architecture. Let me quote from the Oxford Dictionary of Architecture:
Gothick. C18 style only vaguely based on archaeologically correct Gothic, and more connected with a taste for the exotic, so really a branch of Rococo frivolity. [..]
I hope this helps. Regarding your other questions: I rarely go through all categories etc. I am mainly concerned with my own pictures and categories created by myself. Your edits popped up manifold in my watchlist and so I started to apply fixes. But my time is limited. However, you are always invited to ask me if in doubt. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Laurel Lodged: Regarding your recent edits [3], [4], [5], [6]: None of them is a Gothic Revival church as elaborated above. None of their architects had any proper understanding of Gothic. Take for example Donagh Church, Carndonagh, which was built in 1769. This is plain Georgian Gothic but not Gothic Revival. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 21:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]