File talk:Flag of Nova Scotia.svg

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This SVG is NOT the one created by Jean-Pierre DeMailly, nor is it based on his version. I uploaded this file from official sources, so Jean-Pierre can not release copyright to it. The province of NS claims copyright to the flag, and allows anyone to use it in a respectful manner as a symbol of the province. As this is not a PD image, should it be removed from Wikimedia Commons? --198.166.214.5 15:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dealt with user on en.wikipedia. Anyways, copyright expired on the flag. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrect about the copyright having expired. Anyway, that has nothing to do with the fact that this SVG is not based on anything by Jean-Pierre DeMailly, so the notice is incorrect. If you want to revert to the graphic he made here, be my guest, but do not claim this SVG as public domain.--24.89.252.22 03:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted back to my graphic. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems we're online at the same time. Thanks for clearing this up.--24.89.252.22 03:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Check my en.wp talk page. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Playing email tag now with the IP address. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 07:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Nova Scotia ratio 3:4[edit]

The Public Register of Arms, Flags and Badges of Canada gives this information:

http://archive.gg.ca/heraldry/pub-reg/project-pic.asp?lang=e&ProjectID=1176&ProjectElementID=4368

Naturally about Nova Scotia.

The information is maintained by the Canadian Heraldic Authority, which provided registration of the Arms, the Supporters and the Flag on July 20, 2007.


The Government information is from the year 2005/06, and it was last changed on May 29, 2007. But the Government also gives the 3:4 information:


I believe that the Canadian Heraldic Authority (which operates under the guide of the Governor General of Canada) is a far better source of information, but it doesn't exactly proscribe the ratio.

I believe that the flag consists of Arms, with the Cross of St Andrew extended in a rectangle three-quarters as wide as its length. The information should be thus applied here.

Bugoslav (talk) 21:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bugoslav, if you notice on the page, it says "historic," so it does not mean it is current. On the same website, http://www.gov.ns.ca/cmns/flagspublic.asp, the government gives the flag ratio as 1 by 2. I will need to look in the documents I got from the NS government again, but it feels like the government is saying 2 things. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, FOTW mentions both ratios and still have no idea on what ratio is current. I will revert back to the previous image until we figure this out. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:15, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Despite editors on FotW wrote on several ratios, the image they preffer is 3:4. Also if something is historic, and we do not have reasons to think otherwise (e.g. we do not have official documents) then the historic still stands. The Canadian Heraldic Authority registered a flag that is not 1:2 so I would advise you revert yourself back (as in the case of the Flag of France experiment).
Bugoslav (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, but I am going to follow the NS Website and keep the image at 1x2 ratio. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What I did do was two things. First, I emailed the NS Government to see what ratio is legally required now. Second, I went ahead and cooked up File:Flag of Nova Scotia (historic 3 by 4 ratio).svg in Inkscape. So users can pick what do they want. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bigger coat of arms[edit]

As someone who lives in Nova Scotia, the Scottish coat of arms on this flag image is abnormally small. The design is perfect, but it should be a little bigger. It should protrude above the blue cross more, into the white part. Unfortunately, there are no adequate online images to compare to that use the correct proportions, but here are example photos:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3788977.1517754131!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

https://signalhfx.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Minister-Kelly-Regan-726x406.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROKs1omxhoo0A_H-1t3AvyWnZ9Dr5U3a_VCDGXw0aQ-47LPHPD 

Scoutguy5427 (talk) 19:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Technically it is a shield and not a coat of arms. I have increased the size of the shield so it now protrudes above the cross. I also changed the shape of the shield to reflect the image on the government site: [1]. Note, however, that in the government image, the shield does not protrude above the cross; that is simply because the flag in the government image is drawn with the old ratio of 4:3 instead of 2:1. The two diagonal lines that form the cross are steeper and wider on a 4:3 flag than they are on a 2:1 flag.MapGrid (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Colours on FJDEACKB's image of the Nova Scotia Flag[edit]

For reasons outlined below, I object to the flag that User:FJDEACKB keeps uploading here.

Blue Tongue and Claws[edit]

The tongue and the claws of the lion on FJDEACKB's flag are blue.
It is true that the 2013 Nova Scotia flag act states that the flag is "charged with an escutcheon of the Royal Arms of Scotland".
And if we believe Wikipedia, it may be true that the lion on the Royal Arms of Scotland should have a blue tongue and claws.
However, I found no evidence that any real Nova Scotia flags are created with a blue tongue or blue claws. A Google photo search reveals that the flags found flying in Nova Scotia all have red tongues and claws.
I am of the opinion that if the government and the citizens of Nova Scotia do not hang flags bearing a blue tongue and claws, then the Wikimedia representation of the Nova Scotia flag should not depict a blue tongue or blue claws.

Shades of Red and Pink[edit]

The lion on FJDEACKB's flag contains assorted shades of red and pink.
The use of multiple shades of red and pink may be acceptable when used on a standalone image of a shield or coat of arms.
However the use of either pastel colours or multiple shades of any colour should be avoided on any flag. Well designed flags use a small number of contrasting colours; there is a good article on that here: [2].
All the photographs of Nova Scotia flags that I found in my google search show a single bold shade of red. I therefore believe that the Wikimedia representation of the Nova Scotia flag should bear only one shade or red.

Yellow Shield Border[edit]

The border around the shield on FJDEACKB's flag is a dark yellow which I will guess is supposed to represent gold.
All the photos of real flags show a black border.

Reference photographs of real Nova Scotia flags[edit]

Summary[edit]

In the absence of an official high quality government drawing of the flag, I believe that the colours displayed in File:Flag of Nova Scotia.svg should resemble the colours that appear on flags hung inside and outside of government buildings. This means:

  1. a single shade of red
  2. no blue tongue
  3. no blue claws
  4. a black outline around the shield.

MapGrid (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The style of the escutcheon[edit]

@MapGrid: Looking through photographs of the flag the style of the Scottish escutcheon (shield) definitely seems to be closer to that of File:Bratach Alba Nuaidh.svg than to the one used in this file previously. Most of the files in Category:Photographs of the provincial flag of Nova Scotia fit with this, as do photographs in Google image search as well as ones posted by the provincial government. Even the images posted two years ago in the above comment support this. While it is true that there might not be an official design for the flag I think the Wikimedia file should follow the version more commonly used. --Fenn-O-maniC (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am hesitant to get involved, but you have been reverted twice by two different users. I would strongly suggest you upload a separate version. They can co-exist. Fry1989 eh? 15:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keeping the old inaccurate version up would likely cause further confusion about the official design of the flag. Given the reach that Wikimedia files have I think it's best to minimalise the amount of file variation, especially with file names and their usage on Wikipedia's side. --Fenn-O-maniC (talk) 04:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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