File talk:Montreal Canadiens.svg

Montreal Canadiens.svg logo

Hi, I need help to know if the file Montreal_Canadiens.svg from en.wikipedia could be uploaded on Commons. The en:Montreal Canadiens article has it's logo in svg format, but it's loaded at en.wiki locally. I think that the logo is so simple that it could be under Threshold of originality because it's only composed by the letters C and H.

There are lots of commercial logos at Category:With trademark, but there is not a problem because more of they are under Threshold of originality.

I want that somebody confirm or deny that we can upload that logo at Commons. Thanks!, --Elisardojm (留言) 19:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion it is not below threshold of originality. --Jarekt (留言) 19:50, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

In the US, I'm pretty sure that's underneath the threshold of originality, but I don't know about Canada's. The US's threshold is pretty high for anything that's stylized letters.--Prosfilaes (留言) 21:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd say it would be below the U.S. standard. Canada's threshold is lower, but higher than the UK's these days, and not sure. On the other hand, that logo has been essentially the same since 1917 or so, and I think almost exactly the same since 1946 or 1956, so if it existed the copyright is probably gone in Canada anyways. Carl Lindberg (留言) 23:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

(编辑冲突。) I don’t know who created the original logo design or when it was first published, but AFAICT it first appeared on team jerseys in late 1916. If it’s considered anonymous, its Canadian copyright would have expired by about 1917 + 75 = 1992 (earlier if published before about 1942, as seems likely: publication in Canada means making copies available to the public). If in fact it can be attributed to the team’s founder, George Kennedy, as one history I found suggests, the expiry would have been in 1922 + 50 = 1972. The current form, with slightly different proportions, thicker outlines, and the closemouthed C, seems to date from the 1950s (as does the full logotype); however, I doubt the differences are significant enough for it to have incurred a new copyright at that time.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Then, what template should I use, Template:PD-textlogo or Template:PD-old? Bye, --Elisardojm (留言) 08:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Probably both PD-textlogo and {{PD-Canada-anon}}. Carl Lindberg (留言) 16:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Carl Lindberg, I will do it! Bye, --Elisardojm (留言) 08:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)