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I just wanted to say that I think this map is beautiful! I had a look at doing it, but it was just going to take me too long. I'm now glad I didn't, as I think yours is better than I could have produced :o) Serenthia 13:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Lincoln's Inn[edit]

Hi there! I see you overturned my changes to some files, referring to the descriptions. These description are not entirely clear to me, but seem to say that the file has to do with the coats of arms in the glass and not with the fact that they were in the London building. If that is the case, maybe it would be better to create a seperate category "Coats of arms of....", don't you think? --Judithcomm (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes … and yes, if the category is intended for (or contains media mainly concerning) the building itself, rather than the eponymous legal institution. I wonder whether it would be better to make such a category for all the Inns of Court together, or a separate cat for each of the four.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Personally I am not very fond of categories that contain only one item. So one category for all coats of arms would be nice.--Judithcomm (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, there were at least two images for each of the three Inns concerned—and there was already a drawing of the Gray’s Inn gryphon, not proper to the place—so I created both the parent and a set of subcats, for consistency’s sake. (JFTR I don’t have a problem with one-file categories myself, especially where the filename doesn’t refer to the topic.) I have also copied (not moved) images of these arms from the buildings & grounds into the respective cats.
BTW, if you know something about the site or the related organizations, do Staple and Barnards Inns belong in Inns of Court?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 03:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't any have more knowledge than you about this, probably less. There's a historical connection there for both according to Wikipedia:, --Judithcomm (talk) 09:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

File:Alberta Highway 1A northwest of Castle Junction.jpg[edit]

Nice work. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not invader[edit]

I'm User:Doncsecz, and this is my request in the meta wiki: here. 17:49, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Doncsecz! Sorry, I think there was a linguistic problem: although “to usurp” is usually a negative action, as the word is ordinarily used, in the Wikimedia projects it is just jargon for taking over an abandoned account so as to edit under that name. (I can’t think of anything else I wrote that may have given the idea that I thought you were an “invader”.) I certainly did not intend to imply that you did anything wrong, or that you would be unwelcome here. Please accept my apologies for my part in any miscommunication that has occurred, and I sincerely hope you get your account sorted out.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Odysseus1479, I am writing on behalf of Doncsecz who asked me to help him get his account back. As an administrator on huwiki I can assure you the user behind the IP is the same person as user:Doncsecz on Commons and also on huwiki. I tried contacting the SUL stewards but I was directed back to Commons bureaucrats who would look after Commons local accounts. Do you see any solution to his problem? Though Doncsecz actually logged in his account about a month ago, he told me that for some reason he had had to change his password on Commons which he unfortunately forgot. Is usurping the account a viable solution? It would only be a technical usurpation not a real one. Csigabi (talk) 10:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I know little about the usurpation process; I only suggested it because I’d heard of it being done (on enWP) with unused or long-abandoned accounts (created by a different person) and thought its scope might be broad enough to accommodate a situation like this. That was just speculation, and from what you say it seems that I was wrong in thinking it could be handled through SUL. The next step might be to post at COM:BN explaining the situation; maybe someone there can help. It may be possible for Doncsecz to authenticate through OTRS or the “committed identity” system, if your vouching for him is thought to be insufficient. I’m just an ordinary user (and not particularly well informed about procedures) so I’m afraid I can’t do much more, other than to wish you luck.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:28, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Re:Categories and moving[edit]

Hello, I'm pretty sure that any logged in user can move categories. If I look at a category, I have a "move" tab at the top which functions just like the move tab on Wikipedia. Green Giant (talk) 04:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; I’d seen that link, but assumed it was just to a request form like the one i get from the similar menu item on File pages. But on Category pages it does seem to be ‘the real deal‘.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:18, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I just noticed your note, & wanted to say thank you for your concern about the restoration of my talk page, its ok, I will add myself a section about my girl on the page, and she will live forever in my heart. She was a sweetheart like no other. Again thanks for your concern, it has been a really hard week for me.--WPPilot (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


How do you know when to use them? Or does it matter, since sometimes they're used and sometimes not? Is there an explanation somewhere? Thanks, and sorry for all those empty cats! EChastain (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

First of all, if you would almost always look up the topic under something other than the start of the category name, it should have a {{DEFAULTSORT:}} entry; this is typical for (modern) people, whose cats are forename(s)-first but should be indexed by surname. In effect this is equivalent to adding “|Surname, Forename” to every parent cat. Such cats as City of X, Mount Y, and River Z can also be handled this way.
Conversely, if the category name starts with what you’d look for in any index, it shouldn’t ever need sort keys. (I‘ve seen it done, putting Xville into Towns in Yland by writing “[[Category:Towns in Yland|Xville]]”, but I don‘t see the point.)
Otherwise, it depends on the context: how the parent category is organized. A typical case for a key is where the first part of the name is common to most or all the entries in that cat. For example, Flag of Xville is fine under “Flag” in the Xville category, but in Flags of towns in Yland you’d look for it under “Xville”.
Then there’s ‘special’ sorting for meta, index, or intersection categories. Where a cat contains both specific topics and groups, the latter are often sorted with a leading space or other punctuation (rather inconsistently chosen in general, although there appear to be a few fairly widely followed conventions in certain subject areas), to separate them from the rest. For example People of Xville might contain a lot of individual cats sorted by surname, while cats like People of Xville by occupation and Nineteenth-century Xvillians will appear at the beginning so they don’t get lost among the Ps and Ns. In the Xville category you might see cats like Black and white photographs of Xville so treated—photo categories are often sorted under * (asterisk).
Note that some of this also applies to files. If I find an uncategorized photo of Mary Smith from Xville, I might put it in [[Category:People of Xville|Smith, Mary]], making it easier to find when someone gets around to creating a cat for her.
Does any of that make sense? There’s plenty of inconsistency around here, to say the least, but one does what one can … See COM:Categories#Creating a new category: not much there but it‘s policy.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
To tell you the truth, no. You lost me at DEFAULTSORT. I've never seen that here. I've seen it on en:wiki. Wait! I seen it in the edit window. So how would I apply that. How would it help me to find how UK names its different parts or in the "in" vs. "of" problem? (The latter seems not to be standardised.) Anyway, I appreciate any help. Since I've been here I've only received one message warning me about "over-categorization" and a few images questions until recently, so your categorisation posts are most welcome. EChastain (talk) 03:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Neither DEFAULTSORT nor an individual key is displayed; they‘re only visible while editing, part of the machinery as it were.
Feel free to ask questions about any part of the above, and I’ll try and take it step by step. Might some examples ‘from the wild’ help to illustrate what‘s done in practice? Note that sort-keys concern only where items are displayed on category and gallery pages, not why they belong there in the first place.
Regarding the UK, I haven’t done a lot ‘there’, especially outside the Scottish Highlands, but I usually manage to find my way around. I have seen editors complaining what a mess it is, but I doubt it’s much worse than anywhere else. ;) (The vast number of un- or poorly-categorized Geograph images is an exacerbating factor, though.) As for “in“ and “of“, there‘s a lot of inconsistency in practice, but in theory “in“ should refer to mere location and “of“ to deeper connections, possibly involving origin, possession, or control. There’s a considerable grey area of overlap, though, which is part of the problem. The distinction doesn’t usually matter much IMO, but sometimes there’s a need for both.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Someone provided me with this Venn diagram of the British Isles that's helpful to me.[1] He said categories that use the word "Britain" are wrong. (I didn't know that, though maybe you do.) EChastain (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I don’t know if or where it may have been discussed here, but it‘s very ambiguous, so I can see why it would be deemed unsuitable for categorization. In common usage “Britain“ can mean any of: the British Isles, the UK, the island of Great Britain, or the historical Kingdom of Great Britain (1707–1800).—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

some more questions[edit]

Where is the place to ask this:

  • File:Homesteader NE 1866.png is dated 1866 in the file name, but the description says:
  • Description: "The Covered Wagon of the Great Western Migration. 1886 in Loup Valley, Nebr." A family poses with the wagon in which they live and travel daily during their pursuit of a homestead.
  • Date: 1886
  • Source: NARA - ARC Identifier 518267

Does it seem more likely that the uploader used the wrong date in naming the file, or that the uploader made a mistake in the description? If the former, is it possible to rename the file? Is there a place to ask questions such as this? Thanks, EChastain (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

That’s a bit of a puzzle. When I see a factual discrepancy in a file that comes from an online collection, I go to the source site to see where it may have originated. In this case the description has 1866 in three places (including the date); only the original caption has 1886 (as quoted above). It seems likely that the curators corrected the date based on the age of other images in the same collection, or some other external evidence—but there’s also a chance it was a typo that got propagated into several parts of the record. Personally, I’d be hesitant to override anything in the source without strong evidence; here I might change the Date field to something like “1866 (per National Archives; originally captioned 1886)” to point out the discrepancy without trying to settle it. I might also leave a note on the file’s Talk page. (Now I see someone has changed the original caption, which I will revert as soon as I‘ve finished this posting, because it’s quoted text we shouldn’t mess with.) It doesn’t appear that the uploader introduced the discrepancy, anyway.
In cases where a file needs renaming (and I’m not sure this is one), for those of us who aren’t admins or file movers, there’s a “Move“ item in the “More” menu near the top right of the screen. That takes you to a form where you choose the appropriate criterion (factual inaccuracy is #3) and give your rationale. The file will be tagged for attention by a user with the necessary privileges—usually pretty promptly IME.
I don’t know any good places for research questions on this site, but there may be a American-history WikiProject with an active noticeboard. There certainly are such on enWP, also the Reference Desk there. I usually see what I can turn up elsewhere online, searching both text and with TinEye: PD photos sometimes turn up on pages with (apparently) informed commentary from which one can glean a crucial fact or two.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
P.S. I’ve added to the description, but I left the categories alone. Something else occurred to me, if you want to pursue this question further. There’s a contact email on the source collection’s page: maybe someone there can trace the discrepancy in their documentation.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the file upload information[edit]

3rdWorldkid (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC) Thank you for your practical and helpful answer to my question at the Village Pump.

Not at all, @3rdWorldkid: feel free to drop me a line if you need help with anything else.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)



I don't have any objections. I didn't do anything on this file, except processing a duplicate :) Pleclown (talk) 06:27, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome, Dear Patroller![edit]

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If a revert needs explanation do not use the revert link. -- Rillke(q?) 20:18, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Btw, are you a chemist/ work or study in this field? Just curious. -- Rillke(q?) 20:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence you show in granting this user right; I’m not sure how much I’ll use it, as what little counter-vandalism I‘ve done has been in response to what appeared on my watchlist, but sometime when I’m in a proactive mood I may well have a go at some recent changes. I assume there are backlogs there, like everywhere else … At any rate, even when I‘m in reactive mode the rollback right will come in handy; I have it on enWP so have a fair idea how it should be used.
My abortive university career included three years in an Honours Chemistry programme (ca. 1980). Having learned at least enough to know what a chemical structure should look like, and having since taken up the graphic-arts trade (starting with setting type, but the separate pre-press crafts have all been merged in this digital era) I’ve been able to handle some image requests in that area.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
One day, I want to see Wikimedia Commons supporting chemical file formats. Would you mind giving your opinion on ? It was a project from last year and I'd like to know what you think is most essential for bringing this feature to Wikipedia and Commons. Just create a dummy account with a dummy user name and a dummy password. Reload the account creation form in case the question is too stupid. -- Rillke(q?) 21:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, @Rillke, I don’t know enough about the possible uses to make very sensible recommendations about priorities. Not being familiar with the applications in the field I don‘t even recognize most of the data formats—I‘ve only played with Avogadro and Qutemol a bit. I do think it‘s an excellent idea and a worthwhile project, though. I‘ll have to use a newer browser to try out the tools in order to comment on the UI. While online SVG-mode editing would also be cool (on its own as well—which reminds me I haven’t yet tried the script you mentioned recently on the graphics board), offhand I think the rendering options, with the core editing functionality and ease of use, should be higher priorities so as to keep the focus narrow at first. That said, there may be advantages to simultaneous development of some components, but you’d have a much better idea than I what those might be. I’ve done a little Python programming (mostly astronomical & calendrical stuff) but am nowhere near “thinking in“ it, as the book title says; the only language I know well is PostScript.
BTW there have been quite a few red exclamation marks appearing on my watchlist, so it seems I can do a bit of patrolling without straying from my usual haunts; I can certainly make clearing those part of my routine, whether or not I feel like going out on the prowl.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 01:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Jocksthorn Farm[edit]

Since you didn't leave an edit summary, I can't understand why you moved this and other categories out of Category:Kilmaurs, especially since I'm still in the middle of working on it. It was my intention to explain that Category:Lands of Tour and Kirkland is a parallel category relating principally to Category:History of East Ayrshire. Was there a cogent reason for the moves? Chees. Rodhullandemu (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

@Rodhullandemu: sorry to interrupt a work in progress. I thought they were overcategorized, the Lands cat being already under Kilmaurs. We don’t seem to recognize in policy what enWP calls “non-diffusing” categories, so I tend to apply COM:OVERCAT pretty strictly.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Overcat is OK for a two-dimensional graph structure but I think that sometimes it's necessary to be flexible when considering a third dimension (such as "history"). My concern was that someone looking for, e.g Kilmaurs Castle would expect to find it under Kilmaurs and not have to rummage through obscure subcats to find it. Rodhullandemu (talk) 22:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Understood; I wish the category system allowed for more ‘built-in’ dimensions, something like the system of relationships in Wikidata, rather than relying entirely on the semantics of their names to distinguish ‘orthogonal’ trees. But that doesn’t seem likely to happen soon, and a system developed with the WPs in mind might not work out so well here …
One possibility in this case, @Rodhullandemu, would be to not put the Lands under Kilmaurs, but to link the cats with see-also templates instead.
Otherwise, it might help to indicate its “parallel” or non-diffusing status by giving it a sort-key starting with a space or punctuation character, as is often done with intersection cats that are less obvious or ‘natural’ to the topic than those in the alphabetic section. Ideally, though, IMO it should go under History of Kilmaurs instead, which would weaken the impression of overcategorization by a generation’s distance while simultaneously providing a rationale (and a bridge to History of East Ayrshire, from which it would then be removed as a direct child). Categories with only one entry are generally deprecated by some, but in a situation like this I think the explanatory & navigational benefits of the additional layer would outweigh the untidiness.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

flickr washing[edit]

Hello, my native wikipedia is subject to flickr washing by this source . You can see, originaly sources' license is not the same as of claimed on the flickr page. I'm tagging the photos for speedy deletion however I'd like to add it to commons blacklist too , but I couldn't. Any suggestions? thanks HakanIST (talk) 08:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @HakanIST: I have added it to the blacklist. Thank you for letting us know. Green Giant (talk) 08:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


Hello, this image is a blatant copyright infringement, I tried to tag it for speedy deletion with Template:Db-f9 , but the uploader has removed it, just so you knowHakanIST (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


Globetrotter19 (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted Flickr user[edit]

Hello, this flickr account appears to be blacklisted at Commons:Questionable_Flickr_images , but apparently still can be sourced for uploads, please check, thanks HakanIST (talk) 19:01, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

@HakanIST: Sorry, I’m not in a position to do anything about this; I’m not a reviewer nor am I involved in Flickr downloads. Try posting on the QFI Talk page, or maybe the Village Pump or another noticeboard … or ask an admin for directions; I really have no idea.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 09:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)



Thanks for your intervention on the deletion request of the above file. I'm a relatively infrequent contributor to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons, so I wasn't sure how to respond. I'm concerned about the user submitting the deletion request (Tulsi Bhagat), because if you look at the link he references (, it is not a Wikipedia/Wikimedia link and when I clicked on it, I got a warning message that it was a risky site. I'm concerned that he is challenging a large number of images to get people to click on that link, which then might install a virus on someone's computer. I'm not sure how to handle this situation, so any advice you can give would be appreciated. —Djvarley (talk)

@Djvarley: As I mentioned at the AN, I don’t think the site is malicious, just, shall we say, fly-by-night: hosting an improperly attributed Wikipedia mirror and not keeping their security certification up to date. I’m inclined to believe the nominator has been sincerely misled by the spurious copyright notice there.
I notice that you put “own work‘ on the files without indicating your source; I presume you worked from the common base map, which should be linked and its author attributed. Please update the descriptions accordingly, then briefly explain the provenance of the images on the DR pages, and they should be fine.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

SVG version of Wikipedia puzzle piece trophies[edit]

I don't like those color shades you used in gold and bronze ones. I think gold one doesn't look like gold at all and bronze one looks more gold, than bronze :/ Could you recolor these two? I suggest these things in a Google search for an inspiration of a gold shade and these things in a Google search for an inspiration of a bronze shade. Is it possible to recolor them to be closer to these colors? Overall I must thank you for your previous work. --Dvorapa (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)