File talk:Ukraine location map.svg
Crimea[編集]
Google Earth says the same: en:Arabat Spit has no connection to the nothern coas of Azov Sea (at your map it is connected), so en:Syvash is connected with the sea and the single natural bottle neck is en:Isthmus of Perekop. The nothern half of the en:Arabat Spit (45.75 N) belongs to the en:Kherson oblast, not Crimean republic.
Sevastopol and Kiev[編集]
these cities are not any parts of Crimea and Kiev oblast respectively, their boundaries are in Google Earth Bogomolov.PL (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Snake Island (Black Sea) has to be shown at this location map. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Tuzla Island has to be shown at this location map.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
This spit is shown as an island, but it has land (not bridge) connection to the land (see official topographic maps for North and South parts). Bogomolov.PL (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Here boundary line width is larger then the rest of the boundaries. If it was made to emphasis the rebublican (not oblast) status of Crimea, the Sebastopol boundary needs to be wider. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Crimea and Sevastopol[編集]
When all maps of Ukraine and Russia (and rest of the world) will be remaked with current situation of Crimea and Sevastopol? Alex Great talk 07:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Just now even Crimean annexation is not officially completed: possibely today or tomorrow Moscow will declare it a Russian territory. After that monent we will mark Crimea with color different from the rest of Ukraine, but not like the foreign state color. And the boundary with the rest of Ukraine will be dashed, not solid line. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Уже все, решили. Крым стал Россией Надо скорректировать карту --176.214.3.158 14:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Она скорректирована, просто обновите кэш. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Сегодня, говорите? Да, анонимный участник меня опередил, я только хотел вставить ссылку на источник. Alex Great talk 06:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
To everybody:[編集]
Location maps usually show the de facto situation. If anybody thinks that something has to be change please start a discussion – first. Thank you! NNW 19:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
- Well, you changed first before disussion. So, let revert to original version and then discuss.--Anatoliy (talk) 20:29, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
- It is standard that location maps show the de facto situation. Crimea became occupied by Russia, that's a fact. Unfortunately Transnistria was missing when I made this map. Transnistria is fact, too. So what is your point that you do not want to show a disputed Crimea and Transnistria? Deny their existence? NNW 07:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
- Most countries and UN consider Crimea as Ukrainina area. I do not see reason why we should show Russian POV here.--Anatoliy (talk) 11:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't read what I wrote: location maps show the de facto situation. You might agree that Ukraine has lost the control over Crimea. NNW 11:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Are there any rules that location maps show de facto situation?--Anatoliy (talk) 11:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Of course, de jure wouldn't work. Which law would be correct here, Ukrainian or Russian? Golan belongs to Israel by an Israeli law and to Syria by their law &c. De facto doesn't need to be discussed, anybody can go there and see. That doesn't mean that we accept it that way. NNW 12:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, there is no rule, as I understand. So, your claims are nonsense.--Anatoliy (talk) 12:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Which kind of rule do you want? Something said by Jimbo Wales? These maps were made in an international cooperation of French and German map labs. You may ask the other cartographers of this project. These maps get updated whenever there is a change: new districts, new big reservoirs and sometimes new international borders. And now it is Ukraine and you are from Ukraine and you don't like the occupation of Crimea. It is quite obvious why you oppose the updating which is made with any other location map by default. As I understand you wrote. That's the point, there is more than you understood. NNW 12:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- You did not provide any rule but this does not mean that there are no such rule, that's why I write 'As I understand'. Well, If you say that there is such tradition, why there are no same gray areas here:
- Which kind of rule do you want? Something said by Jimbo Wales? These maps were made in an international cooperation of French and German map labs. You may ask the other cartographers of this project. These maps get updated whenever there is a change: new districts, new big reservoirs and sometimes new international borders. And now it is Ukraine and you are from Ukraine and you don't like the occupation of Crimea. It is quite obvious why you oppose the updating which is made with any other location map by default. As I understand you wrote. That's the point, there is more than you understood. NNW 12:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, there is no rule, as I understand. So, your claims are nonsense.--Anatoliy (talk) 12:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Of course, de jure wouldn't work. Which law would be correct here, Ukrainian or Russian? Golan belongs to Israel by an Israeli law and to Syria by their law &c. De facto doesn't need to be discussed, anybody can go there and see. That doesn't mean that we accept it that way. NNW 12:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Are there any rules that location maps show de facto situation?--Anatoliy (talk) 11:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't read what I wrote: location maps show the de facto situation. You might agree that Ukraine has lost the control over Crimea. NNW 11:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Most countries and UN consider Crimea as Ukrainina area. I do not see reason why we should show Russian POV here.--Anatoliy (talk) 11:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- It is standard that location maps show the de facto situation. Crimea became occupied by Russia, that's a fact. Unfortunately Transnistria was missing when I made this map. Transnistria is fact, too. So what is your point that you do not want to show a disputed Crimea and Transnistria? Deny their existence? NNW 07:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
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?--Anatoliy (talk) 12:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Some very old maps lack that, that's right. Right now I have to discuss the de facto standard with maps of Israel, Syria, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia, Serbia, Kosovo and some other minor conflict zones again and again. That means I am not able to start new discussion with Cyprus, Western Sahara or Moldova because my time and my nerves are limited. But be assured that these maps will follow. Alternatively, if all these discussion continue with no end, I will start a whole new series of location maps where everyone will see in the file description that they show the up-to-date de facto situation and forget the old maps. Then everyone might change them in any way they want to and I won't revert or update at all. I am more or less the only one who keeps the location map series alive and I am getting sick to discuss it again and again with all those users who have never done anything to it in the last six years but who get upset when something changes that they don't like. NNW 13:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Protected for a week[編集]
It was mentioned on irc that there was an edit war going on. I protected the page for a week. Multichill (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Crimea[編集]
Ahonc, Denniss, A consensus on Crimea has to be made. Showing Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine on the main location map is POV pushing as Crimea is a disputed region. There was a consensus made on the main Ukraine article to always represent Crimea as a disputed region as that is the only NPOV position. --Leftcry (トーク) 16:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- I would support showing it as a disputed region, as this seems like an NPOV choice that best represents the current situation. INeverCry 18:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. --A.Savin 20:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- INeverCry, A.Savin, So can we agree to return the position of Ukraine's location maps to the way they were before Ahonc's edits. Meaning this main location map shows Crimea as a disputed region, File:Ukraine (1991-2014) location map.svg shows Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine, and File:Ukraine location map (2014) with Crimea disputed.svg should regain its original name "Ukraine location map (2014)" and show Ukraine without Crimea. This was a very stable and NPOV choice. --Leftcry (トーク) 02:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. --A.Savin 20:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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DPR and LPR on the map[編集]
Why there're no en:Donetsk_People's_Republic and en:Luhansk People's Republic on the map? They're not controlled by Ukraine as well as Crimea. --VoidWanderer (トーク) 19:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- They are not controlled by another independent and recognized country like Crimea and they are not recognized by any other recognized country. So this is handled like all the civil war "countries", e.g. in Syria, Somalia etc.: they are not shown. NNW 10:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- This has changed. Roughly 20% of Ukrainian territory is currently occupied by Russia, but none of that is internationally recognized (except by Russia, Belarus, North Korea, and a few others). There's little difference between Crimea on the one hand and Donetsk and Luhansk on the other. This map shouldn't show any of them as "not quite part of Ukraine" (or whatever the light grey shade means). — Chrisahn (トーク) 08:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
cat add request[編集]
@Ahonc: Додай, будь ласка, категорію файлу: SVG maps of Ukraine
Не можу редагувати, захист стоїть. --Yakiv Gluck (トーク) 07:39, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Donbass[編集]
In addition to Crimea, the disputed territory is also the Donbass, and the entire territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. The Russian Federation recognizes the DPR and LPR within the boundaries of the proclamation. 46.0.80.222 04:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Update oblast borders[編集]
The administrative borders in this file require an update: see, in particular, near w:Kodyma in File:Odessa Oblast 2020 subdivisions.jpg and File:Ukraine under russian occupation grey.svg. —AlphaMikeOmega (talk) 11:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- This file is outdated. You should change to Ukraine adm location map.svg. NNW 12:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Should this file, in that case, be moved to a title which reflects that it shows outdated information, e.g. "Ukraine location map (2014–201[?]).svg"? —
AlphaMikeOmega(talk) 17:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Should this file, in that case, be moved to a title which reflects that it shows outdated information, e.g. "Ukraine location map (2014–201[?]).svg"? —
This map is inconsistent / outdated[編集]
Why is Crimea shown as somehow separate from Ukraine, but the four oblasts recently "annexed" by Russia aren't? That doesn't make sense. If we want to show what the Russian government thinks is Ukrainian territory, we should show all "annexed" areas in grey. If we want to show what the whole world – except Russia, Belarus and a few others – thinks is Ukrainian territory, we should show Crimea and all the other "annexed" areas in the same colour as the rest of Ukraine. (Also see this discussion on a very similar map.) — Chrisahn (トーク) 22:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
