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POV work[edit]

This map is continuation of personal POV pushing of user:DIREKTOR in English Wikipedia, where he tried to deny existence of WW2 country with name Serbia. He trying to push idea that "Government of National Salvation" was a name of a country, which is not supported by a single source. PANONIAN (talk) 18:35, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That state was not named "Serbia", and the sources for THAT are abundant. Your nonsense nationalist POV-pushing has not managed to change the title of the article into "Serbia", so now you are stirring trouble here. In adition: the image clearly states "Serbia under German occupation". --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a lot of evidences that state was named Serbia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PANONIAN/Sources02 And please, do not insult me if you are not able to back your comments with sources and evidences. PANONIAN (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Country name WAS NOT Government of National Salvation. That is only relevant fact. I urge you to fix this, as it is afwull POV creation. This map have better colors, but you should swiftly fix Government of National Salvation into Serbia, as you just pushed your POV, by creating map while none agreed to that, and add it to all related pages. That is pure definition of POV pushing. --WhiteWriter speaks 13:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree that this map have better colors either (these colors could be hardly distinguished one from another), but choice of colors is in a scope of subjective personal judgment and is not something to which I have right to object when work of other users is in question. I am mostly concerned with continuation of DIREKTOR's behavior in which he pushing idea that "Government of national salvation" was a name of WW2 Serbia. Although, I am not able to understand his reasons for that. PANONIAN (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is quite unthinkable. As user who participated in en wiki article, he knows that we should follow agreed article names, and not to add something like that. --WhiteWriter speaks 13:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As user DIREKTOR didn't responded, despite activity even on this page, i uploaded version with corrected name, per sources, agreements and articles about that subject on all Wikipedia's. --WhiteWriter speaks 19:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed at length on the relevant Wiki page, the source sare there, and I have nothing else to add to them. You do not have consensus for your changes, and they will be reverted without fail.
P.S. The map does have better colors. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the record: You did not provided a single source in English Wikipedia to support your claims and consensus among users there was that name of that country was Serbia. As for colors, by which criteria are these colors "better"? And to notify you that administrators might block you if you engage yourself in revert war with other users. PANONIAN (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
DIREKTOR, you must talk to us, as for now, only our good will stops us from reverting your edits, that does not have even one reason to exist. Relevant Wiki page you mentioned says Serbia, not Government of National Salvation, per its sources and all other, as both user Panonian and i already told you. --WhiteWriter speaks 18:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any further revert, without any sources or discussion, will be regarded by me as disruptive editing and vandalism. --WhiteWriter speaks 16:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's nice. Incidentally, any further revert, without any sources or discussion, will be regarded by me as disruptive editing and vandalism. You need sources, not me. So far I have not seen a single reference to this state as "Serbia". I've heard the word "Serbia" used quite a lot in the context of WWII Yugoslavia, as a geographic term, much like "Bosnia", or "Slovenia", but not once in referring to this state. This is a political map. All I need is an official document of the Nedić government, any document at all, which refers to the state as "Serbia".
The fact is, I know quite a lot about this subject, certainly more than the two of you good fellows. As it happens the Germans specifically forbade the use of the word "Serbia": they opposed a Serbian nation-state because of Serb-populated regions were now occupied by their allies (Montenegrins and Macedonians were thought of as Serbs at that time). This is also why German puppet Poland was not called "Poland", but the "General Government": a Polish nation-state implies the right to Polish-populated lands annexed to Germany.
If you recall, the Germans were trumpeting their propaganda for a decade about the right of nations to self-determination - that's how they annexed Austria, the Sudetenland, and that's why they declared war on Poland. Had they created a Polish or Serbian nation-state then their own propaganda would work against them - so they created "Governments". --DIREKTOR (TALK) 09:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We need sources? But we have sources. All sources from "References" list of this map are copy-pasted from my original map: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fascist_occupation_of_yugoslavia.png (you did not included a single new reference into that list). Everybody can see that I posted this list of sources concluded with November 3, 2010: [1], You simply copy-pasted these sources when you uploaded your map in June 1, 2011: [2] In another words: you using my sources as a support for something that is not supported by these sources. Therefore, your claim that name of this country was not Serbia is not supported by a single source. Additional sources that claiming that name of this country was serbia are located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PANONIAN/Sources02 And official documents of WW2 Serbian government that reffering to this state as Serbia could be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PANONIAN/Sources02#Historical_movies (these are historical movies created in Serbia in WW2 and name Serbia is used there). And if you "know quite a lot about this subject" (we have a great honor to meet such a person full of knowledge, do we?), then would you be so kind to present some sources from which you took your great knowledge? (o mighty one?). Do you have a single evidence for any of your claims or you just wasting our precious free time? PANONIAN (talk) 14:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, as you didnt added ANY SOURCE for your claim, i created new files that replaced yours disagreed ones. This is not commons question anymore, but en wiki's one. --WhiteWriter speaks 17:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This fight between two POVs about maps must stop. Commons has sufficient space for both versions of the "truth". New nomination = block. Jcb (talk) 21:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia was not annexed by Germany[edit]

Germany did not ultimately annex her portion of Slovenia. She intended to, but never did. It was however passed over to civilian administration. "Occupied" would be a better word, "administered" works as well. 24.57.16.109 03:10, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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