Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Eopsaltria australis - Brunkerville.jpg

File:Eopsaltria australis - Brunkerville.jpg, featured

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• Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Animals/Birds/Passeriformes#Family : Petroicidae (Australasian Robins)
•  Info created & uploaded by JJ Harrison - nominated Ivar (talk) 07:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC) Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment I'm taking over the nomination of JJ Harrison's shape of the photo, because I object to the withdrawal of this nomination and consider the composition quite good as is and deserving of a feature, although if JJ would like to edit, that's his call. Ivar, Charlesjsharp, Famberhorst, Martin Falbisoner, GRDN711, Daniel Case, Michielverbeek, Axel, Lmbuga, Buidhe, Aristeas, IamMM and Agnes Monkelbaan, you are hereby notified. Feel free to change your votes as you wish. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ikan Kekek: imo you can't take it over like that, since nobody voted for original version. --Ivar (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Comment (1) Yes they did, though many people suggested a square crop. (2) So what? You were precipitous in withdrawing the nomination. There's no rule I can't take it over. Oppose and move on. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ikan Kekek: no, they did not, they did vote for first crop. Please check file history. --Ivar (talk) 08:57, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• I don't need to. Comments like "Support But I also think that a square cut is better" speak for themselves. Good night. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:02, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• OK, I get you on the first crop. I notified everyone, so I think this is legitimate and is a nomination of the file in question. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ikan Kekek please remove this nomination back to log, since nobody voted for this image. You can start new nomination with original version separately. --Ivar (talk) 09:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support -- Ivar (talk) 07:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment Have suggested a further crop. Subject doesn't seem to suggest landscape style. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support But I also think that a square cut is better.--Famberhorst (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

* Support but a square would be better --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

•  Oppose per alternative --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support --GRDN711 (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Info square crop uploaded. --Ivar (talk) 16:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

•  Support thanks Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

• Ivar, I think the square crop should be uploaded to another file and then made an Alt. You may own the nomination but you don't own the image. COM:OVERWRITE only permits minor crops to fix mistakes or remove something unwanted from the scene. I think JJ Harrison is an experienced enough photographer to judge their own preferred crop at upload. While a wide crop may seem weaker or unnecessary, it can increase the utility of the image for re-users, who are then free to crop any way they like or to add text on the featureless parts of the image. -- Colin (talk) 21:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

• I actually agree with Colin. I don't like people cropping my images. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

• Ivar, I'm a bit frustrated there was no response to this. This is an official guideline on Commons, not just my personal opinion, and should be respected. I've reverted the edit to the file per COM:OVERWRITE. I see elsewhere at FPC also, we seem to have got into a bit of a habit of mucking about with other people's photos when making nominations, either without asking, or in conversations off-wiki unknown to other revewers. A free licence allows one to make one's own derivative work or a crop elsewhere. Overwriting is too much like altering an author's own work and then claiming that's what they should have uploaded instead if only they'd had your talent/software/eye. It's a bit rude. Please create another file for the square crop (using the lossless crop facility on Commons) and alt for this nomination: the guideline does not permit further reverts as contested alterations must be done on another file. -- Colin (talk) 07:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Colin @Colin: I agree with you points on overwrites, but please don't repeat the unfounded accusation that I have had conversations off-wiki. Charlesjsharp (talk) 08:57, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support Daniel Case (talk) 18:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Michielverbeek (talk) 18:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Axel ^(talk) 19:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Lmbuga (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Support square crop,  Oppose this one as it includes too much blank space in my opinion. Buidhe (talk) 04:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support both versions. --Aristeas (talk) 05:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Striked out because now we need exact votes for a specific version. --Aristeas (talk) 12:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --IamMM (talk) 14:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 14:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
•  I withdraw my nomination, since nobody has voted for last version. --Ivar (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Stiked since Ivar withdrew the double nom. --Cart (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment Unwithdrawn. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Comment And I had to move this back from the archive. I'm sorry if I made any procedural error. I'm shocked it was moved so quickly. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support for this version. --Aristeas (talk) 12:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose prefer other Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support — Rhododendrites ^talk |  17:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --El Grafo (talk) 09:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose Too centered, I prefer the other version RolfHill (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Alternative

•  Info Created by JJ Harrison - cropped & uploaded by Ivar
• Ivar had the good manners to withdraw the extra nom for this photo, but since a lot of the voters expressed a desire for a crop, it's only fair that it is added as an alternative. I'm 'pinging' previous voters so they have a chance to vote on their favorite version:

Charlesjsharp, Famberhorst, Martin Falbisoner, GRDN711, Daniel Case, Michielverbeek, Axel, Lmbuga, Buidhe, Aristeas, IamMM, Agnes Monkelbaan and Ikan Kekek. --Cart (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 Question Cart, I like each of them for their own reasons, can I add my support for the alternative without striking my support for the other picture? --Axel ^(talk) 19:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

• Axel: Yes, of course you can. I think some other voters have done that already, and it often happens on nominations with 'Alt'. In the end, the one with the most support votes win. --Cart (talk) 20:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Support Buidhe (talk) 12:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Ivar (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support But also the photo above.--Famberhorst (talk) 15:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Michielverbeek (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 17:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose - give the poor little fella some room to breathe. I do not understand the preference at FPC to trim away everything that's not the subject (for some subjects anyway). — Rhododendrites ^talk |  17:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Ermell (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support I prefer the original but see no reason to oppose this version. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support Ikan has well stated my sentiments. Would suggest that an extraction statement be implemented in the image description of the square version to connect the two images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GRDN711 (talk • contribs)
•  Support It's a small bird; it fits this shape better. Daniel Case (talk) 03:31, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Llez (talk) 19:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Rhododendrites: If you're looking for an infobox image for Wikipedia, this one certainly has some advantages. But as a photograph, the original wins hands down for me. --El Grafo (talk) 09:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support ×Elvorix^talk 10:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support per Ikan. --Cayambe (talk) 10:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support--Lmbuga (talk) 12:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support Prefer this one RolfHill (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support.--Vulp❯❯❯here! 17:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
•  Support -- Johann Jaritz (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed results:

Result: 18 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /--A.Savin 13:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Birds/Passeriformes#Family : Petroicidae (Australasian Robins)

The chosen alternative is: File:Eopsaltria australis - Brunkerville2 - crop.jpg