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UK location in the European Communities 1975 image creation and modification.
Please can a new map be created and be modified in which the the UK coloured orange and named as UK location in the EC 1975.svg please.
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Please can a new map be created and be modified in which the the UK coloured orange and named as the UK location in the EC 1975.svg please in a way that’s similar to the UK location in the EU 2016.svg image please. (2A02:C7F:5622:2000:F00C:C3C8:5BB1:C26710:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC))
Specifically, remove the significant empty space at the top of the image in addition to moving the text "Hare at initial time" to the left so that the end of text in closer to the image's border, remove excess space there as will. —The Editor's Apprentice (Talk) 23:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much Sushant savla for the changes so far. Unfortunately, when I view the file preview on its Commons page, and some other places, the bottom of the text "Hare at initial time" is partially cut off. Can you make it so that all of the text is always visible? —The Editor's Apprentice (Talk) 19:37, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I believe that my previous request for vectorizing this file was removed without completion for whatever reason, so I am making a new request to vectorize this file. TextClick (talk) 05:16, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Those look fantastic, MacMoreno—thanks for your work. I think there may be a small amount of the original background below and to the bottom right of the infant. But those are small matters—if you care to take a look great, but I’m also happy to mark this as resolved. Cheers, —Usernameunique (talk) 03:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks, Mrmw. Ideally, however, it would be nice to remove the watermark with photoshop or a similar program, rather than to simply crop the photo. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please replace Conservative blue seat in opposition column and replace with independent unionist light blue please.
Please can the colours be adjusted as there is a blue seat in the opposition column when it should be a light blue independent as it’s a independent unionist.
I would like to have an image of the logo of the Ta-Ching Government Bank created. This logo looks like a coat of arms supported by two horses with in the middle what seems to be an image of a dragon chasing a wish-granting pearl / flaming pearl. An example of the image and a discussion related to its details could be found in the discussion below. Unfortunately I have not been able to find a version anywhere online of a banknote where this emblem/logo is depicted on that shows a lot of detail but I hope that the linked pages below shall be sufficient for the creation of such an emblem. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Original discussion for details on the emblem and its symbolism.
I want this logo, with the unicorns 🦄 (or maybe they're just horses 🐴?).
The Ta-Ching Government Bank (now the Bank of China and Mega International Commercial Bank) was a government agency of the Manchu Qing Dynasty and had its own distinct logo, however, I have not been able to find a separate image of this logo. So if someone who is experienced with making coat of arms could extract this logo for me I would be really grateful, or direct me to a website where I could attempt to make a logo myself from my mobile device if possible. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
:If we had a high-resolution image of such a bank note, we could probably reproduce these arms. However, from what I can find online, it's not clear which heraldic components have been used there. I found something on Ebay that reveals something at least: 🐴 in supporters and a mountaineous landscape in the shield, but the crest is completely unclear. De728631 (talk) 13:53, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
:@Donald Trung: Cutting out the picture would not be difficult, but the low resolution makes the usage of the final file very limited. @De728631: I believe the shield actually depicts a dragon circling around the edge with its head in the centre, mouth open and looking left, a motif that is repeated on another banknote in the category.--TFerenczy (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
::: Yes, viewing it from that higher resolution image I would in fact think that it's a dragon, the logo itself looks like a combination between a typical European coat of arms and the Ottoman Empire's emblem, so recreating it using the same software that made those other files here on Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Details of your request go here… We are fortunate enough to have multiple scans. Unfortunately, previous graphists have hard-annotated the version. Can someone produce one image that shows how it originally looked?--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:56, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Overall improvement, as much as you might be interested and able to do.
Hello. I recently was able to draw this CoA of Catholic Church in Georgia, but my drawing skills are very basic, and the image in general is much inferior to the original (Specially the knot on the Cross - according to the legend, it was knotted not with a rope, but with hair - and I subsequently failed to make it look like hair). Second problem is the ribbon and the inscription on it. I will be really grateful if there is anyone who might be interested. --Melberg (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I cropped this file in Inkscape. When I uploaded the new version the borders were placed further in than what I saw when I saved in Inkscape. The outermost parts of the racket isn't visible now. Why is this and how can it be fixed? --Jonteemil (talk) 03:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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Done@Jonteemil: I can't tell you what exactly happened and why, just that Inkscape tends to do weird things with SVGs it didn't create. I adjusted the width and height of the SVG canvas (the values in the <svg> tag) so the whole image is in view. Let me know how it looks now. clpo13(talk)06:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that the template SVG Chart is not being maintained anymore. I found the instructions a bit cryptic and I note that in the last few years, there are only a few posts on the talk page, most of which have gone unanswered. Should this page perhaps be marked historical or deprecated or something? I also see a reference to "another SVG generator that is under development" from 2015, do you know what/where that is? Alternatively, do you know of a better way to create SVG charts that can easily be updated by laypeople? I have tried various pieces of software, but they all produce SVG files that have completely unreadable source code (for humans). I really like the idea of this SVG Chart template... Is it true that the Graph extension needs to be applied to every language wiki separately as claimed on the same talk page? KarlFrei (talk) 09:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Article(s): It's POTY 2017 finalist, it is already used on many pages.
Request
Please fix displaying of text "Lithosphere" in the current version – on preview/bitmap images it is not displayed at all and SVG under Firefox does not look nice, although the text is visible. IMO all texts should look like in version from 16th December 2019. --jdxRe:10:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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The renderer does not have some of the text attributes coded, so sometimes text won't render in PNGs despite it appearing fine when looking at the SVGs in browsers.
In the older version, the text was converted into paths. This means that it looks consistent across all browsers, but is impossible to translate. You may prefer the text when it was like this, but it seems that the choice was made to make the file translatable.
I have corrected the file without changing the text back to paths, but the label follows a straight line rather than a curve. If this doesn't look good to you, then you may want to propose that the file is reverted to how it was in December 2018. NikNakstalk - gallery - wikipedia11:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
What about font size? On the preview (generated by rsvg AFAIR) texts are much bigger than in SVG rendered by my FF. A problem with font substitution list? BTW. Perhaps "Lithosphere" should be converted into paths… --jdxRe:12:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
EEA members map
Please can the map be modified to put the UK in green now they are no longer a member of the EU and also please include Croatia as a EU member.
Hi. I think the UK should not be marked in green as that map seems to mark in green the members of the EEA area. And I think the UK is not a member of EEA for the time being. As regards Croatia of course it should be blue. Are there not other maps already updated depicting Croacia as member of the EU?. Regards, Basquetteur.
The map shows countries that are (a) in (b) not in the EEA. Marking otherwise would introduce an entirely new element.
Comment for graphist, not at all intended to patronise (made in case you're outside the UK, because it's not always known by non-UK people): there is a small part of the UK on the island of Ireland, which has also left the EU, namely Northern Ireland. Hope this helps. SCHolar44 (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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I require assistance in making high quality GIF images. As you can see in the example provided above, my GIF has choppy edges around the outside of the red triangle, however I have seen plenty of GIF files without this flaw. If someone could make a higher quality version, or better yet teach me how to do so myself (as there are other GIF files I wish to upload in the future), I would be most thankful. Fry1989eh?20:03, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Fry1989 Can´t it have something to do with scaling the image. If you look at the gif in 100% (1,200 × 1,049 pixels) the edges looks much better. All images should be made as close as it can to the image size it will be viewed in. Diagonal lines in gif is very sensitive to patterns like this. Gif uses indexed colors and they are as most 255 (256) colors. The one you have made is 239 colors so if you start from the svg file and convert it in Gimp, save as gif it will get 255 colors. That and a correct size might make it better. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
The size of the file probably does have an impact as I made it quite large. I have found instructions for using GIMP and Blender here, I will give that an attempt. Fry1989eh?19:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
It looks like I have been able to improve the GIF. The edges are still a bit jagged but not as much as before. Fry1989eh?21:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Fry1989. You're running into an inherent limitation of the GIF file format. Pixels in a GIF can either be fully opaque or fully transparent, but not partially transparent. Your edges look jagged because there is a hard boundary where the transparent background takes over that can't be smoothed out with semi-transparent red pixels.
Ah, I see. Such a shame. Oh well, I'll have to accept it for what it is then, unless there is a better alternative to the GIF format. Fry1989eh?18:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
There are two flags in Wikimedia Commons: PNG and JPG. Please refer to the two flag pictures appropriately when you remake. --Tcfc2349 (talk) 04:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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Would somebody please create a vectorized image, in color, similar to fig. 42 on p. 119? The colors are simple: yellow with silver borders. I can email a higher-resolution diagram in color to whoever takes this request. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
That looks great, thanks Carlinmack! Would you mind also creating a version in yellow? I think the reason the linked version looks purple is a scanning issue; in person it looks black and white, while the yellow version is contained on a plate (which is outside the Google Books preview). I can email you a copy of the color version if you send me your email address. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again, Carlinmack. The yellow version is perfect. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear regarding the red design; could you please leave the silver parts as silver, and change the background to red? I'll send you a jpeg momentarily with what I have in mind. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Carlinmack, just following up regarding the yellow/red version. Also, it's a minor nit, but would you mind reducing the margins on the files? The extra space would be helpful at en:Benty Grange hanging bowl, where the illustrations are currently bumping each other down. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Ok, someone overwrote this file with a different file, can someone reupload this with the original version [1] under a different filename? Like FILE: Hope for Wildlife TV web.png or something? The new overwritten version is equivalent to this original request here, so that should be kept around as well. -- 65.94.170.20709:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have been referred here to ask this question. If this is still not the right place please let me know.
I have created a new drawing using Draw.io.
Here is a link to the drawing I have made:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eYe2KxfoSikfo3jDIttvpl99SJ1lqE1f
I have exported a copy of this drawing in .svg format, but when I try to upload this into Wikimedia Commons I get this error message:
I have now conducted a few tests. A version of the diagram without text labels uploaded successfully. See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Time-graded_co-ordination.svg
When I then added text labels - either inside a polygon, or as a separate text box, and tried to upload a new version, I got the same error message. Frustrating.
I had a look at Inkscape as a different tool, but it seems excessively complicated and difficult to use. Plus it doesn't seem to have the nice libraries of pre-defined objects and symbols that I want to use.
Can you suggest anything please ? I have spent a bit of time creating this drawing, and I want to use it in the Wikipedia article on Power-system protection, so I need to overcome this problem. Continuing to uses Draw.io is my preference but I must add text labels
I hope you can help.
Marshelec (talk) 03:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Mrmw: Many thanks for fixing this diagram for me. I will put more time into trying to learn Inkscape as an alternative to draw.io, with the hope that several other SVG drawings I wish to create will upload trouble free.
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@TextClick: I can do these guys, but I notice that in all the online versions of the OCX, the horizontal slashes are present only across the "O" and the "C" and not across the "X". Should I omit the slashes in across your PNGs' "O"? —RCraig09 (talk) 19:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
@RCraig09: I'm assuming you meant omit the slashes from the "X", so yes, please do. However, if you meant the "O", both the "O" and the "C" have horizontal slashes across them, so no. TextClick (talk) 01:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
@TextClick: D'Oh! I meant... omit from the "X". Be thankful I'm not an air traffic controller!
I'm doing the Follow the Sun image now; are you aware of a particular font for the red lettering? If not, I can just find a "close" font and adjust the shape of the letters. —RCraig09 (talk) 02:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
@TextClick: "Follow The Sun" is completed. The native text didn't follow a standard font, so I derived or created manually (details in image file description page.) One down, two to go... —RCraig09 (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Done! (I think) But :-\ I'm having trouble figuring out how to replace the old jpg or png images in Wikipedia infoboxes. The images' filename specifications are somehow buried in a template (or some similar torture device). Please advise! —RCraig09 (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@RCraig09: Thank you so much for making them! Yeah, that's unfortunate. I'll probably have to ask someone else who's more knowledgeable with infoboxes for help. TextClick (talk) 19:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Completed! For future translatability, I used an SVG as a basis rather than the original (2007) jpg image. Let me know if there is any problem with the new graphic. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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RCraig09 You created and uploaded this file as a svg file and as it contains raster graphics it is not a true svg file. To show this it's very good to add some of the templates showing this;
This image is not a real SVG file and is just a wrapper containing one or more raster graphics without vector coding. Using SVG as just a wrapper is undesirable. Note: This template should be used if the SVG file contains only raster graphics. If the SVG file contains both vector and raster graphics, then use {{BadSVG}}.
or
All the SVG images in this gallery contain embedded raster graphics.[2] Such images are liable to produce inferior results when scaled to different sizes (as well as possibly being very inefficient in file size). If appropriate to do so, they should be replaced with images created using vector graphics. Note: This template is only supposed to be used if the SVG file mixes vector and raster graphics. If the SVG file only contains raster graphics {{FakeSVG}} is supposed to be used. See also {{TopoSVG}}.
and there are several others. I do understand your point on easier translation but a lot of people do not know how to check if a svg contains raster graphics and there fore it can not be used as a true svg. One could upload a xcf (Gimp) or Photoshops own file format so that text layers is saved and then it's as easy to translate. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:12, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, User:Goran tek-en. I only learned Inkscape in February, so I am a newbie!
I have added {{BadSVG}} to the file description page. I think all of the 'family' were png, jpg, or had a raster layer in svg. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
RCraig09 That is great. I don't know how much you know about different file formats and the differences between vector (svg) and bitmap (png, jpg...) but if you don't it would be useful for you to search for "difference svg bitmap" on internet and study that. Also we have a lot of info here att commons also; svg info, creating templates Inkscape, templates svg and much more. It's also very good to work towards creating Valid svg code in the files. As I said I don't know how much you know so please see all of this just as suggestions if you didn't know. If you already know I'm sorry to bring it up. If you ever think I might be able to support you just contact me, thanks for your understanding. --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, User talk:Goran tek-en, for the links—I have saved them in my en.WP talk page, for reference.
I well know the vectorization concept, and love Inkscape's Bezier tool though I still consider myself an Inkscape newbie.
For this particular 'family' of images, no one has generated a 'path' to replace the raster image. Thanks for your kind offer. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:31, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, coat of arms (of my town) is not anywhere in good resolution. I think best will be vectorization. I hope someone can help me. Thanks, --janbery (talk) 15:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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The resolution of this PNG image is excellent. I do not see any application here that requires a higher resolution. To vectorize this COA would end up in a loss of detail quality and authenticity. Enjoy the quality of this image which is far better than the majority of COA files available here. - MaxxL - talk16:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Jan. Since the image has only 436 × 500 pixels, I'd like to try to improve it using Inkscape (new hobby!). MaxxL is correct that there would be a loss of "authenticity" but I know I can make the details clearer. User:Janbery: please tell me if you want me to proceed, because it will take a serious amount of time. —RCraig09 (talk) 06:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@RCraig09: Hello, thanks a lot for help. I can do basic things in Inkscape, but this is way harder. If you have time, I will be very pleased. Take your time, it's not urgent. I don't know, if I can do anything for you, but if you have any idea, I will be happy to help. One more time, thank you. Best regards, --janbery (talk) 08:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry, but I have to intervene. Citing Voltaire, "The Better is the enemy of the Good"
@RCraig09: - Good job. But as you have experienced it now how difficult and time-consuming the task is. As so many details are insufficient (e.g. Bohemian lion has no yellow claws, lines and borders are mixed and its thickness in wrong order, etc) this is not an acceptable and suitable vectorisation. - MaxxL - talk07:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Small coat of arms of the Czech Republic.svg
— User:Janbery: @MaxxL: Definitely, the lion was the most difficult and time-consuming portion! Earlier, I could not find a clear image of the Kadaň lion. However, now, you mention the "Bohemian lion" and today I found the image at right (for the entire Czech Republic). The Czech Republic lion is much clearer. Can the Czech Republic lion be substituted into the Kadaň coat of arms? (I apologize for not understanding these things.) —RCraig09 (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Janbery: - The rule is stated in the VVA template flag: "This is a vector version of this file. It should be used in place of this raster image when not inferior.". It is obvious that the JPG version is superior in detail and authenticity. Having explained the shortcoming of this SVG the replacements have to be reverted. - MaxxL - talk07:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@MaxxL: @Janbery: Can you tell me if the updated version, using the improved lion, is acceptable? Is there something more that I can do? If needed, I would rather do a little bit more work and have it be acceptable. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear @RCraig09: - I personally appriciate your contribution of this CoA. But judging it as a true vector version it fails. It takes more. Just loading both images in inkscape in two levels shows the short commings. It takes more than graphic skills and inkscape experience to deliver a sufficent result. i am glad you took on the challenge buit the original is still "better" than your faksimile. Pls don't be discouraged to take other graphic vector improvments. - MaxxL - talk16:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC) (handeicaped and using speechrecognition in place)
I was hoping you MaxxL could be more specific as to why my new graphic fails. Is it the visual appearance (authenticity)? Or is it a problem internal to my SVG construction? (I don't understand why "two levels", or what the "shortcomings" are.) —RCraig09 (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I can put in a lookalike lion on this arms from the original picture. If its OK by RCraig09 I'll put it in. Regards, --D'Arch (talk) 17:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
First, there are several versions online. This seems to be the original drawing. See the differences in the lion. However, the request is for the edited JPG version. There's no lion with golden tongue or crown. The PNG. drawing is in high resolution, it should not be a problem to make a vector of this with an authentic look. That is, definitely use the original lion, not stick something on it that has a different style.
See my version, which will be 90% equal to the original. If I wish this to 100%, skewed or uneven lines from the original would have to be copied exactly. Your version will be 60% because you have used a lion in a different style and appearance. --D'Arch (talk) 05:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
You User talk:D'Arch have certainly done an amazing job. I wish I had a better 'original' to work from. My Google searches only turned up pixellated images. I'm still unsure what the authoritative "right" CoA is. But you have certainly made a high-quality image that mostly closely matches Janberry's original version File:Coat of arms of Kadaň.png. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
@RCraig09: - I just have to disclose a little secret: Arch has a more than 15 years experience in artistic heraldry. Only three more "masters" of his skill are still busy here and you have to be patient as their appearance is rare and suddenly. ;-) - MaxxL - talk17:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
@ RCraig09, keep on drawing, you are doing an excellent job. Your first version is always better than version two, because it is authentic. Authenticity is more important than its beauty or details. Although it is less clear, the lion just belongs to that drawing. @ MaxxL thanks for the kind words, it is nice to see that you are still here. Kind regards to all and have a nice day.
Thank you for your guidance, User talk:D'Arch. I will be reverting my upload to "Version 1", which though cruder than your "Version II", is probably more authentic than my "Version 2". —RCraig09 (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to have these images a little bit brighter. Just a little bit in order to make be able to see the faces better. Could someone please do that? Thanks in advance! --Ymnes (talk) 09:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I will start this project and get back to you within a day or two.... Question: Should that ellipse appear to be lying flat on the ground, or in a plane including the beam and emitter? Request taken by RCraig09 (talk) 03:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Beautiful, thank you! Yes, there are some things I should have clarified. First, the length of the synthetic aperture is the total travel distance of the aperture (the place where the red lines exit the box) along the azimuth. Is there a way we can illustrate that more clearly? That's probably the single most important point of the figure, and I know the original file I submitted didn't depict it well. Second, the swath width should be elongated along y so it covers the fill width of the red circle. Finally, it might make things simpler if we made the y axis pass through the red dot on the left, and then instead of the black dashed line, we had theta_a going from the left red dashed line to the y axis. Thanks again, and please let me know if you have other questions! Rob Hurt (talk) 19:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by "where the red lines exit the box" since the red lines exit the box at is, literally, a point, not a distance. Which two points in the diagram, exactly, determine the SA's length? And which two points, exactly, should those two points be aligned with?
No problemo re width of swath. That change actually simplifies things!
Sure, sorry about that. The box itself is actually moving along the azimuth, sending out and collecting pulses of light as it goes. So the synthetic aperture is the distance from the point where the red lines exit during the first pulse, to that point when the box has moved all the way down the azimuth. Maybe this picture (https://www.dlr.de/content/en/articles/missions-projects/terrasar-x/synthetic-aperture-radar.html) makes the scanning nature more clear. Does that help some? Maybe we could duplicate the box and the lines coming out of it and paste a more transparent version of it further down the azimuth to show the motion. Or would that make the image to cluttered? Rob Hurt (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I had always wondered why the 2016 diagram was so different from most other SAR diagrams, in not really showing motion! It makes sense to introduce a second transceivers/ellipse set. I should complete that (non-trivial) change within a day. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
I just couldn't wait. Version 4 is done! The details of the angular representations were tricky, but I think everything's proper now. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Could someone make a nice image showing the concept of time-of-flight? Here are some images for inspiration: ([3]), ([4]), ([5])
The concept it needs to depict is that a laser sends a pulse of light at the target, the pulse bounces off and gets detected by the camera, and the time that this process takes is measured. Then the distance can be calculated as: distance = (speed of light) / (time of flight). Please let me know if there are any questions! --Rob Hurt (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
20200501 Time of flight.svg
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Is a simplified version of the timing diagram in Fig. 9 of this patent be OK? The patent shows multiple echoes; we would be concerned with only one echo. A time-domain diagram really shows the D=V/TD=VT relationship. I'd rather make the time axis vertical and the distance traversed horizontal. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Formula corrected RCraig09 (talk) 04:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Sure, I think that's a great idea! It certainly seems like you understand the concept, so I think your interpretation of how to illustrate it is as good or better than mine :) Rob Hurt (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Hm. I was just thinking that the sine waves in the light paths might be inappropriate. Should they be square pulses? or left out altogether? —04:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC) But then again, a pulse would just be a pulsed sine wave, yes? —RCraig09 (talk) 05:20, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Beautiful! I think this is great. To answer your question, technically it would look like this (thumb|Pulse-chirp), but really in 3D like this this. Up to you if you want to include that detail. The only thing I'm wondering is if this would be clear to someone who didn't understand the concept, or if they might miss the fact that the y axis is time and would think that the laser and camera have to move. There's no question that this is technically correct, but do you think it would be more clear to make two copies of the image, one with the pulse traveling to the target and one with it traveling away? Just a thought, but do what you think is best! Rob Hurt (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
— I'm presuming you mean the top waveform of Pulse-chirp; hmmm, I'll experiment to see what the details look like in context.
— The link to http://data:image/... etc... does not work ("about:blank#blocked").
— I definitely think there should be a continuous representation of the transmission and echo paths, so I'm disinclined to separate into two copies; I think the dominant display of the time axis makes the concept clear, especially since most viewers will only encounter this image if they're already a bit scientifically knowledgeable. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Pulsed sinusoid has been added per your suggestion. The diagram must remain a diagram of a single physical dimension over time, so I opted against a 3-D version of the sinusoid, which would have added confusion. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:55, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
In the 2016 Hyndburn Borough Council election, ONLY two ward-seats were won by Conservatives / the two neighbouring Barnfield & Baxenden wards (bottom-RIGHT corner of map) , the erroneous [St Oswalds ward, bottom LEFT corner - looks like "Florida"] was won by Labour and should be paint-filled in as RED, not as BLUE.
I am currently working on a draft-copy of the next 2020-Hyndburn Borough Council-elections results page, which references the previous 4yr old results. Over the past decade, I've relied upon other 3rd-party contributors to "edit/tweak" the results-maps, as I myself an NOT any kind of a "paintshop-expert".
. EG, in 2014 "they" picked a much darked BLUE than previously/subsequently used ... and 'again' in 2018, another 'darker blue' was used ...
This image was uploaded in a raster graphics format. However, it contains information that could be stored more efficiently and/or accurately in the SVG format, as a vector graphic. If possible, could someone please upload an SVG version of this image. Thanks a lot! --2600:1700:ADB0:5ED0:993A:6F1:BDD5:AA904:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I've completed and uploaded Version 4 of File:Armstrong.svg, based on the government website here.
I see that the rings aren't centered above the shield, which seemed wrong. However, I stayed true to the government website. I can change if necessary. Tell me if you have suggestions. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Why you now place this file in many local wikis instead of simple replacing old file on Wikidata? In ru-wiki, for example, during long time we use automatic import from wikidata without unnecessary boilerplate code. Slb nsk (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Slb nsk, I don't understand how Wikidata relates to Commons images. I thought that replacing JPG images with SVG images was normal policy. I don't know how to "replace an old file on Wikidata". 00:56, 11 May 2020 (UTC) I just figured out how to make an image display through Wikidata. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Ezarate, I have uploaded Version 5. The rings are now centered above the shield (improving (?) over official government website), and other small changes. Thanks for nominating as a valued image—that process is new to me. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
— D'oh! @Mrmw: We've duplicated our efforts! Please confirm ahead of time whether you will be pursuing these other projects. 04:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC) I can handle the last two, but please let me know, either way. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I have changed the blue-pennant image to 3:1 aspect ratio because the text says 45x15 cm, even though the image there has a different aspect ratio. Per your (Mrmw) note on my Talk Page, I will handle the last two images. —RCraig09 (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Jeromi Mikhael, it would be good to know the purpose behind introducing these images to Wikimedia/Wikipedia. I see the Coat of Arms is used in Wikipedia, but not the others. Do you have a goal in mind? —RCraig09 (talk) 16:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Can someone upload a new version of this file with the x & y axes correctly labelled i.e. x is the horizontal axis and y is the vertical axis Nthep (talk) 18:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
It's not a comprehensive chart but it gives a brief summary of the New Zealand political system. If one were to make a more detailed version of the chart then perhaps a modified version of this comparable chart of the UK political system – with the lower house named "House of Representatives" and minus the upper house (the Lords), with the addition of the governor-general — would be more suitable. I don't know how easy it would be to modify the UK chart, but perhaps that would be more informative. Thanks for the suggestion. --Hazhk (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
—I would feel much more comfortable if you could first modify your own diagram, with the interconnecting lines being explained, and element names being more formally correct (since the diagram is for an encyclopedia). For example, the names "government departments" and "statutory bodies" are vague, or so broad as to cover entities not directly under the executive.
—As a yank, I won't tackle New Zealand government structure myself, but in any event I think today's version of the chart is not ready for use in an encyclopedia. —RCraig09 (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, you're right that the chart is oversimplified compared to the other political organizational charts you linked to. I admit that I wasn't familiar with those images. I tried to keep it simple in part because I don't know how to create a complex chart. It's asking a lot of you to create an entirely new chart. For that reason, I'll withdraw this request and try and find a more suitable image first. Thanks for the recommendations. --Hazhk (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I think you User:Hazhk will find a number of people here who will want to do the graphics work, once a mature diagram is developed. Best wishes. —RCraig09 (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Not done
(second attempt)
Organisational chart of New Zealand political system (prior PNG)
File:20200508 New Zealand government structure.svg
I've gone back to the drawing board and created this more detailed chart of the New Zealand political system. I have uploaded a new version of the file; you may need to purge the cache to see the changes. (It depicts the political system as set out in the Constitution Act 1986 as well as conventional practices.) Please would a graphic designer create a more polished version of this chart in .svg format. Thanks in advance! --Hazhk (talk) 20:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
a) It's a step in the right direction. However, it's standard for organizational charts to have the "highest" (supervisory, most powerful) entities at the top, with subordinate entities beneath. Examples: Are all three courts directly connected (allow direct appeals) to the Supreme Court? Is the Prime Minister really "within" the Executive Council? etc.
b) The ~13 different colors are confusing; if different colors are used, the entities should be color-coded to distinguish meaning and distinction or similarities of the various blocks. Don't just decorate.
c) I see the listing of "Government departments, Crown entities, statutory bodies" remains. This listing seems to be vague and overly broad and, to an outsider's view at least, apparently incorrect and not illuminating.
Thanks for the recommendations. I did look at the U.S. chart and others and while they are helpful I think it would be inaccurate to model the New Zealand chart off an explanation of the U.S. presidential system. In parliamentary systems such as NZ there is no strict separation of powers; yes, the prime minister is an ordinary member of the Executive Council and Cabinet as well as Parliament. The connections between the courts was a silly error on my part and one that I corrected. I revisit the colour coding. As is very evident, I have no experience in graphics design or creating charts and diagrams, and my request is that someone who does have expertise in designing charts will be able to create one. --Hazhk (talk) 22:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
1) I was definitely not attempting to liken the U.S. government structure to the N.Z. government structure. I was referring to the approach of the U.S. chart versus your chart.
2) Specifically, the U.S. diagram has legends explaining a small number of consistently applied color codes, legends explaining colored arrows, elements clearly contained in other elements versus separate from other elements, etc. In contrast, beyond the number of colors in your chart, the meaning of the Governor-General spanning the edge of your Parliament block is unclear, etc.
3) A graphics guy could simply convert your chart to an SVG format, but that would not serve readers well. The choke point here is clarifying what you want the graphics guy to actually create. Maybe you could find a suitable NZ government chart(s) and post link(s) here; you can't be the first one in history to have thought of the idea! —RCraig09 (talk) 06:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I have made further changes to the chart and I believe it is now adequate. That is, the essential information is present. This is meant to be an illustration of the more-detailed explanatory text within the en:Politics of New Zealand article. I would appreciate it if a graphics editor could take the information from this file and apply it to an svg template; the new chart does not need to be perfectly replicate my attempt, it merely needs to convey the same diagram/layout. I hope that this is OK. --Hazhk (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that this version is workable. I'll be busy on an unrelated project for at least a day or two, so another illustrator can take up the project if I don't get to it. I will post the {{I take ___ }} template if no one else accepts. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I found good textual description sourcing (listed in the file description page). Let me know if anything is "off" (especially in the relationship between the Ministers and Parliament). I can revise if needed. —RCraig09 (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it looks superb. The "support … opposition" text is not the usual terminology but that's not a problem. The only element that I feel could be confusing is the arrangement of ministers in the 'Executive' box. Ministers of the Crown and the Executive Council are one and the same; all ministers are members of the Executive Council but only the senior ministers are members of the Cabinet. In my crude mock-up I tried to show Cabinet as a subset of the Executive Council with a discrete group of ministers outside Cabinet. Do you think there is an easy way to convey this? At least removing 'Ministers of the Crown', leaving only "Prime minister, Cabinet ministers, ministers outside Cabinet" would be better. Apart from that, I am very grateful for your work. --Hazhk (talk) 09:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I've made the suggested changes. Thanks for all your input; I think the project has turned out well. I'm surprised such a chart hadn't been made for NZ already! —RCraig09 (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
This file has trivial shapes (rectangles and Manhattan arrows) and two dozen text strings, but the original upload was more than 400 kB. I want WMF to serve most SVG files directly rather than going through a (flawed) rasterization step, but that's not going to happen if the typical SVG is a large file.
This illustration should use straight text. It should not convert its text elements to curves. Making the text hidden does not help with translation but rather confounds it. https://tools.wmflabs.org/svgtranslate/File:20200508_New_Zealand_government_structure.svg is unusable — adding transparent translations to a file serves no purpose. The tool sees some text, offers to translate, but never changes the image because the translations are also transparent. Even if it did display the translations, the tool would not know how to remove the text converted to curves. By the way, the text is not "transparent"; the text has display="none"; such text cannot be selected and then pasted elsewhere.
The illustration has become very complicated to work around a problem that is simple to fix.
It is far less work to just make generic fonts work. Then translations to other languages are then easy. The text layer already uses text-anchor="middle", so minor font differences should have little impact. In ordinary circumstances, a generic CSS font would work fine.
The illustration does tickle a librsvg rendering bug because the fonts are 5.6, 7, 8.5, and 10 pixels high. That's because the image uses a small viewBox="0 0 317.5 238.125". If the image used a larger viewBox (say 900×700 pixels) and scaled the fonts to fit that box, then the fonts would look fine. (librsvg does a reasonable job painting 15, 21, 24, and 30px fonts)
If you upload the illustration without the text-to-curves but keeping its current viewBox, JoKalliauer can use one of his black magic scripts and scale the image.
In the future, if you make your illustrations on a larger canvas and use bigger fonts, then librsvg should look OK.
— Wow. I had ongoing problems with text rendering (especially of thumbnails), even when using Liberation Sans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif as suggested on SVG help on en.wikipedia. In this particular text-intensive image I used 20-28pt fonts on a 1200x900px "page". This file is not "unusable"; it's just that Inkscape or equivalent would have to be used to translate.
— I am familiar with Inkscape, but (like probably most editors) not with XML intricacies. I have no clue what viewBox is, or involves. User:JoKalliauer has already made a newer, smaller version with an edit summary that's beyond my skill level.
— A few months ago, a more graphically experienced editor User_talk:Efbrazil also encountered text rendering issues, ending up submitting a formal request to fix this longstanding font rendering issue (sorry I don't remember where or how, exactly). He can explain better than I.
— If you know an easy way to "make generic fonts work" without having to become an XML coder, please explain. —RCraig09 (talk) 01:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
You are using the correct text anchors, so the actual choice of the font does not matter. You do not need to specify the four fonts, and it is probably best if you just specify sans-serif. The font substitution list is important when the artist has anchored the text in the wrong manner but uses the font length to make it appear correct. Imagine centering text by adjusting the starting point of the text. If somebody else uses a different font with different metrics, then the text may not look centered anymore. The four-font substitution list is trying to use fonts with similar metrics, so if the artist did rely on the font metrics for positioning, the result will still be close. The New Zealand image does not have that problem but rather the small font problem. The New Zealand image is not using 20px fonts but rather 5.6px fonts. Also "20pt" (20 points) is not "20px" (20 pixels).
The viewBox is the natural size of the image, which in this case is 317.5 wide × 238.125 pixels tall. That means the SVG coordinates in the file will use those values. A font that is 7px high would be about 7⁄238 or about 1⁄30 of the rendered height. You may think your diagram is 1200 × 900 pixels, but its not. The SVG file says
The viewBox describes the rectangle of the SVG coordinate system to view. The width and height tell the browser to scale that viewing area into a 1200 × 900 area on the screen. It also turns out that MW will ignore width and height and use the width and height requested by the wiki page. The important point is the librsvg bug is based on the pixel size commanded in the SVG code, and in the New Zealand case, that size is 5.6px. I do not know Inkscape, but Inkscape may be reporting the apparent font size of (1200⁄317)×5.6 ≅ 21. The font sizes in the SVG file must be bigger to avoid the librsvg bug.
The bug is long standing, but it is not a MW bug. MW uses the free software librsvg, and that software has many outstanding issues that will probably not be fixed anytime soon. That's one of the reasons to have small SVG files: it may be that WMF will start to serve small SVG files before librsvg fixes this rendering bug.
You make the generic fonts work by starting with a larger native (not scaled) image size (1200 pixels wide rather than 317) and use font sizes appropriate to that larger native area. JoKalliauer would know the appropriate incantations to Inkscape. (Just taking a 317px wide image and scaling it by a factor of 4 does not avoid the bug.)
Thanks for the explanations, Glrx. It's a mystery to me why the file recites viewBox="0 0 317.49999 238.125" in the first place. It seems like specifying a larger viewBox at the outset, might avoid problems. I'll await further word from JoKalliauer. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@RCraig09: Afaik I wrote the suggestion of the fallback-fonts, knowingly it can be seen differently. (I care about the font-metrics so I don't care about sans-serif and would remove it, and Glrx cares about the generic font families (Serif or not) so he would remove all fallback-font except sans-serif, so the compromise was to add both. More infos see: Help:SVG#fallback)
Also I generally agree with User:Glrx, however I have a different flavour/liking: I not even changed the font in the file (only some differences of the renderer), and File:20200508_New_Zealand_government_structure.svg has (imho serious) alignment problems: "Elected MPs" and "judicial review" touch/cross paths (they imho should be changed to text-anchor="end"), those problems dissapear as soon as you open the svg in your favourite browser (assuming you have "Liberation Sans" or "Arial" or both installed). If you would allow different font-families with different metrics, the Problems can be much more serious.
@RCraig09: I optimized you file much more agressively, If you don't like it revert it or tell me what to change.
I appreciate the time you have spent, explaining things. Thank you & vielen Dank.
— To summarize: The details are complicated and technical, but the two choices are:
Smaller file size, easier to translate "automatically" — good for tech-savvy XML editors
Exact font-path rendering, consistent font-path rendering across platforms, reasonably easy to translate in user-friendly programs (Inkscape) — good for the viewer, good for most WP editors.
— Here, the thumbnails of this file new version do not render "Interpretation; judicial review" consistently across three articles Government of New Zealand, Politics of New Zealand, Constitution of New Zealand on my desktop, or iPhone Safari. I think that if you (Johannes) want to adjust this text object, and "Elected MPs", that would be good.
— Bottomline: the fact the we are having this long conversation, linking to help: pages etc., shows there is a huge problem, with no clean solution in sight. I'm impressed the file has gone from 421KB to 8KB; however I don't have the technical knowledge to understand or perform extreme optimization. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
As to your points
The smaller file should work for everybody and everything. You should be able to pull the file into Inkscape or any other graphic editor and easily modify it. Smaller files have some other technical benefits.
Exact font-path rendering (aka converting fonts to curves) is NOT "reasonably easy to translate in user-friendly programs". It requires somebody who has reasonable skills with a graphics editor. Files that have hidden text (display="hidden") are not expected by typical graphics editors. Marginal notes (text placed outside of the viewport) are also unexpected but sometimes used by other artists.
None of the fonts in the New Zealand illustration seem to be important artistic decisions; many fonts would be acceptable. That's the situation where I advocate a generic font (sans-serif). There are other situations where the font choice is important, and other fonts do not convey the same message. Coca-Cola is invested in Spencarian Script; a generic serif (Coca–Cola) or a generic script font (Coca–Cola, Coca–Cola) is not an acceptable substitute.
The reason the text "Interpretation; judicial review" is inconsistent across several articles / images sizes is the text has the wrong anchor. All of the text in the illustration is aligned by its center (text-anchor="middle"). That's correct for most of the text, but the "Interpretation..." text should have been right aligned (text-anchor="end") instead. If you look at the illustration, the text should be close to the vertical line to the right, but it should never cross that line. I missed that point earlier, but the ever-sharp Johannes did not.
One of the tests I sometimes do is increase a font size by a factor of 2. It quickly shows if the text is reasonably resistant to variations in font metrics.
I disagree with the long conversation implies no good solution. There are clean solutions for many illustrations, and the New Zealand illustration is in that category. The Inkscape advice I was looking for was how to set the view port to a large enough size to avoid the librsvg font size bug.
— As a practical matter, if you don't use Inkscape, then how would one first create a text-intensive graphic like the New Zealand diagram? Even afterwards, it seems extraordinary to expect the average uploader to make changes directly to the XML.
— I was not trying to be argumentative. It just seems like a large burden on a few highly knowledgeable individuals, that ~thousands (?) of editors should have to rely on their expert knowledge (you mention "magic scripts"). There does not seem to be a location on Commons that contains a foolproof, understandable-to-all, step-by-step user procedure for achieving consistent font renderings in compact files; I had thought that en.WP's SVG help was the best destination, but apparently it's not. Commons' Help:SVG#Fonts, text provides explanations, but not a step-by-step user procedure. You and User:JoKalliauer might save some time by writing such "instructions" once, so you don't have to explain separately to multiple individuals. —RCraig09 (talk) 15:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm not asking you or anyone else to edit XML. I do not expect users to understand viewBox or the arcane details of how WMF handles images. I'm not asking users to post process their SVG with some magic/arcane script. I am using the SVG/XML descriptions to be precise about what the problem is.
I also do not want to discourage users from contributing images. I understand that can be a frustrating experience. Somebody uses Adobe Illustrator to make a fabulous looking diagram and uploads it to Commons. It is very likely that the result on Commons does not look good. First, the font substitutions will be way off because Commons does not have Adobe's commercial fonts (or follow Adobe's use of the PostScript name of the font). The user may make a few attempts to fix the ugly font problem, get frustrated, and then convert the text to curves so the result looks right even if the file is now 30 times larger. Second, even if the user fixes the fonts without resorting to curves, the result may look horrible because the font sizes are too small — Commons SVG files are not truly scalable. That's a huge waste of time, and I blame WMF for that lossage. WMF says its a downstream bug of librsvg, and librsvg says it is downstream from it. The problem is the bug has a huge impact on contributors and the ultimate usability of Commons images.
I do expect the contributors at this workshop to be a little more sophisticated than most users. Having to convert text to curves should raise a RED FLAG that the illustrator is doing something wrong and needs a simple fix. The correction for that problem SHOULD NOT be converting text to curves and adding hidden layers; it should be fixing the underlying problem rather than kludging around it. I want the contributors here to recognize that some text labels should be middle or right aligned rather than always left aligned. Selecting the appropriate alignment should be easy to do in any graphics editor. It is not something that needs to be fixed by editing arcane XML with a lowly text editor.
The small font (< 12px) is a harder fix. An appropriate workaround is to start drawing on a bigger area. I do not use Inkscape, so I do not know how to set the drawing size. I was hoping that JoKalliauer would have a simple answer for how to do that, but he did not. Some research shows it is much more complicated than I expected. https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/84163/svg-and-viewbox-values gives an explanation of Inkscape's inner workings. A user sets the width and height to be 1200px × 900px. Inkscape converts those pixels to mm (its default internal unit) and comes up with 1200×0.2645 by 900×0.2645 = 317×238mm. That's why we get the funny numbers above. If Inkscape's default configuration is used, then to work around the librsvg small font problem, the smallest font needs to be greater than 12mm / 0.5in / 48px / 36pt. I'm not sure what the right advice would be here. Either make your illustrations about 1200mm wide and use 48mm fonts or change the default configuration to pixels.
In the long run, it is better for a user to upload an illustration with the small font problem rather than converting the font to curves. Later, somebody else can run a script fixes the small font issue.
— In Version 6, I've right-aligned "Interpretation", but it still has a bit of a shifting problem (a survivable problem). Also, at bigger thumbnail sizes (above upright=1.7) the center-aligned "House of Representatives" object spills to the right (work around by changing down to 1.6).
— FYI: In Inkscape: File... Document Properties... allows specification of "Display units" in mm, px (also cm, in, pt, pc!). Separately, the Custom size of the 'page' can be specified in the same six units. Changing the 1200x900 Custom size from px to mm makes the 'page' almost 4x larger which enables/requires use of huge fonts.
— I'm concluding that the best approach is to start with a huge 'page' size (~3600x2700px?) and use correspondingly huge fonts. Unfortunately, when clicking on the main image in the WM file description page, the resulting image is much bigger than the screen: is there a hidden problem in that? I basically don't see that in any other SVGs. —RCraig09 (talk) 03:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
The leader is at 2536.2+207.12 = 2743.32, so the text should be about 29px to the left of the line. The text is italic, so it will lean a little closer. The text touches the end marker arrow (url(#n), sw=5.29, 1.1×5.29×4.018 ≅ 24px). Moving the text down should avoid the arrow. Is there some other problem with the "Interpretation" label?
The "House of Representatives" label.
I cannot explain why it is so odd; the font size is 70.56px. librsvg has the text substantially left of center in both upright=1.6 and upright=1.7. There's a problem, but it sounds like you have some other complaint.
The "House of Representatives" should be painted almost dead center of the box by any SVG implementation (it's 2px left of center).
The "~120 MP" is actually "~120 MP " (a space tacked onto the end), so any SVG implementation should have the visible text 1/2 space left of center.
The "(support . . . opposition)" text should be dead center.
All of the text in the box looks shifted substantially to the left of its proper position, and I do not have an explanation. Perhaps it is another, but slightly more subtle, manifestation of the small font bug. The more characters in the string, the more it is shifted to the left. That suggests a cumulative quantization error. Perhaps some other image sizes will have the errors shifted to the right. I do not know.
Yes, one approach is to make the size of the illustration huge and use correspondingly huge fonts. That fixes the small font problem but introduces a side-effect. If the width and height are given large values (such as 2000), then SVG agents will try to display them at that size, so they will overflow the screen. Think of width and height as being commands to display the SVG image at a definite size: the SVG is saying alsways display this image at 2000px. In most situations, it is better if the SVG file does not specify the width or height or if the SVG specifies them as a relative dimension of 100% (meaning the dimensions of the HTML container). I do not know how to tell Inkscape how to do that.
Going to upright=1.75 (above) from 1.70 introduces a qualitatively worse thumbnail rendering problem for my Chrome/iMac setup. I'm saddened that there are ongoing problems that even more experienced Graphic Dudes haven't resolved. User:Glrx, please don't feel obligated to investigate in detail, as this particular image is definitely usable. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I changed the 1.6 example to 1.70.
Many editors are frustrated and lose a lot of time because of MW's SVG rendering problems and limitations.
The failure to center the strings is the fault of librsvg.
The text overflowing the boxes is due in part to the text tightly fitting the box.
First consider a font substitution. If the SVG agent substituted a font with slightly wider metrics, the strings would overflow the boxes even at large sizes. To make diagrams resistant to overflow, the text should have reasonable margins instead of being tight against the edge of the box. Leaving lots of room also makes subsequent translations easier because it is more likely that a translation will fit in the existing width.
Second consider font rendering. When I ask for a font at a certain size, the rendering engine will make a bitmap font that conforms to underlying canvas. That means it will adjust the font to fit the bitmap, and Adobe made its name making readable fonts at small pixel sizes in the 1980s. At an upright of 1.70, the font's x-height is 5 pixels. At an upright of 1.75, the font's x-height is 6 pixels. In other words, for a 2 percent increase in image size, the font dimensions increased by 20 %. Fonts may not scale linearly with image size; leaving more room for the text defends against surprises.
RCraig09, Glrx I haven't read everything here and I don't have the extreme code knowledge of Inkscape and what librsvg has for problems. Yes, it does have problems which are very frustrating but I try to see it from a more practical point of view. Nothing, nothing is 100%, everything (most things in my life anyway) has it's issues and problems and we can put in a lot of time and energy to try to fix does issues. For me, I don't have that extra time and energy so I try to design my maps/illustrations so there is space enough for the text's to behave like it does, working with left. center, right alignment and so on. Even if they fixed those issues there would arose new ones when something else is updated in Inkscape or on the server, it's an all time ongoing thing. We will never (not in my life time) see that everything works to 100%. So I try to focus on where my time and energy is most useful. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks to those who have contributed their time and knowledge to this discussion. I think we can let it be archived now; I'm saving a copy of the discussion to my hard drive for future reference in SVG projects. —RCraig09 (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. —RCraig09 (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I have cropped the pictures, so the subject is centered. Let me know if cropping is not acceptable; I can change if needed. ——RCraig09 (talk) 21:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Cropping the photo is very well, it was even what I planned and don't need to do anymore. Thank you very much again! Ymnes (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Done
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Public Service Commendation Medal
Ribbon for the Public Service Commendation Medal of the United States Army
SVG Version of Ribbon for the Public Service Commendation Medal of the United States Army
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. —RCraig09 (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Please help with Unsafe CSS removal
Hi ,
As EugeneZelenko was suggesting I created a logo on SVG but when I try to upload it on commons it says that there are unsafe CSS in the style element of uploaded SVG file. Is there anyone who can please help me to fix this issue ? Many thanks--Neverstopthat (talk) 15:38, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Neverstopthat I don't know which issues it complains about but at this link you can test a svg file before uploading. For your file it complains about "Font type Open Sans Condensed is not available in Wikimedia software.". Not all fonts work here and there is a link for you to check which fonts that work. At this place you can also check your file. Very often it's very good to save it as "optimized svg", then check it at those places and see what is wrong, if any. If it passes this last check place you can also put out "Valid W3C code" on the file, it's good to do so. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
@Neverstopthat: The current file has CSS with a @font-face rule that loads a font from a url(data:...). Such a URL is probably unsafe because fonts are programs. The URL could also be unsafe because an arbitrary font may not have a free license. The SVG file should not define a font; it should just use available/generic fonts. Glrx (talk) 20:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Replacing cartoonish social distancing graphics with better ones
The indicated original source for those graphs is doi:10.1001/jama.298.6.644, which contains a few graphs and a table with limited data. I was unable to find the source data at the resolution used to make those graphs. I was able to find graphs in the supplement. Reproducing them appears to require extracting the raw data from the graphs, which is less than ideal. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
The quality, size and resolution of the PNG image is sufficient for any use imaginable here. Therefore it would be a waste of time to vectorize it beside the fact that the complexity of the many dents and holes makes the task extremely time consuming. Stay with the PNG whose quality is far beyond of thousands of traced and vectorized files here. - MaxxL - talk16:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Image corruption detected in File:... created by JPEGcrop application
[[File:Han-talers.jpg]]: Drawings of two coins
Article(s): [[]]
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To enable categorizing and using these two coin drawings independently, I wanted to split the original image and drop the embedded captions, but recalled I could not use Commons:CropTool as this would replace the original image by the (one and only one) cropped version.
However, both attempts were flagged with error messages e.g.: "Image corruption detected in File:2-3 Thaler 1721... Hello HReuter, it appears that the version of File:2-3 Thaler 1721 Georg Ludwig.jpg which you uploaded 2020-04-10T12:25:38Z is broken... " and the uploads could not be viewed -- no idea why.
As a workaround, I did similar crops using an old version of Photoshop I had and could now upload the resulting single images without any problem, but lossy (at least in principle) and with larger filesizes.
While I could leave it this way, I am still interested to learn what went wrong, or how to do better, even more so since a similar situation may arise anytime.
@HReuter: You can upload to a new file using toolforge:croptool, it's an option that appears after previewing the crop. In many cases, it will in fact be the default option. I can confirm that firefox refuses to open the image, but ImageMagick (the software that Wikimedia uses to make thumbnails) and jpegtran (the software that CropTool and Jpegcrop use) are entirely fine with it. There are three typical types of corruption that I see: Missing end marker (some of the image data got left behind), two images in one file, and improper encoding. This file appears to have all the data, doesn't have anything tacked on to the end as far as I can see, and has the correct w:JFIF encoding. @TheSandDoctor: do you have any ideas? --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Arabic Version of a gif image
An animation of a typical human red blood cell cycle in the circulatory system
Hello @Ian Furst: , there's a problem on Arabic words on translated version, that Arabic words appear divided, and this is a known problem (How to Fix Arabic and Hebrew typing Problems). Also, I've another question that if you can learn us how to translate (edit) gif files, as we can edit all type of files on arwiki graphics lab instead of those gif one. Thanks on advance --Alaa :)..!11:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
@علاء: @باسم and باسم: Corrected the script error (I was wondering why all the characters were separated) but you may need to clear your cache to see the differences. SVG images can be easily translated in Notepad (see File:Electric car diagram Ar.svg as an example). For the .gif this is how I do it. 1) Open in Photoshop 2) Cover english labels with background cover 3) insert arabic labels (using the method you linked to for correct script) 4) export to gif (File>>Export>>Save for web (legacy)>>A dialogue box will open with the existing image on the top and your output gif on the bottom. On the right choose Preset: "[unnamed]", in the dropdown under preset choose "GIF", at the bottom choose Looping options: "forever". If you select fewer "colours" the image size will drop considerably (but so will the quality)). Ping me if you want to set-up a netmeeting and I can show you. I don't know how to do it in inkscape. Ian Furst (talk) 18:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I need a line drawing of one color clothed child front and back like the source I`ve attached. I need a similar drawing of the child only (I`ll add the Hebrew squares). Have been searching commons for hours but all I have found is those two pictures in the top.
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Is the source image free media? I've traced it but now realise that it's from the ~1970s (?) and probably can't be traced due to copyright reasons. If you can find the licence I'll upload my traced SVG Carlinmack (talk) 16:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
As I wrote, it is`nt. I need a line draw similar to the right picture of a young kid. I need a black fading gradient on left shoulder or another pain area. Tal (רונאלדיניו המלך, talk) 22:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Text OK in original SVG, but not one rendered into PNG by Wikimedia Commons
I've been making several illustrations and uploading them to Wikimedia Commons, and to preserve resolution, I want to upload them as vector images. I had originally been using the PDF format, but I see that these images are downsampled for display on pages. I then tried using SVG, but when the images get rendered by Wikimedia Commons into PNGs for display, I've often found that text isn't rendered properly. I'm attaching one image as an example, but this has happened with many images. You'll see that the text is fine in the original SVG, but not in the rendered PNG. I intentionally switched to Wikipedia-compatible fonts (liberation, deja vu), but this did not solve the issue. Do you have any suggestions for how to fix this going forward?
Rob Hurt (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, Rob. As an SVG newbie I discovered the same problem. The problem is the way Wikipedia renders fonts, and as far as I can tell there is no easy "solution" in the true sense of the word. A request to solve the problem technically has been submitted, but it's an old problem so salvation is not at hand. You can "work around" the problem, however: see the purple section of this link “”[7]. Good luck to you, sir! —RCraig09 (talk) 23:50, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
The fonts in the image are too small. Although MediaWiki does have problems rendering small fonts, that does not seem to be the problem. When MW renders fonts below about 15px, the letter spacing becomes erratic. That's not the problem for the given file. The fonts are just too small for the height of the image.
The image is 3000px high, but the fonts are (on quick inspection) in the range of 28 to 56px; that is 0.9% to 1.9%. Although those fonts are readable when printed out on a letter-size page, the images on WP are usually displayed much smaller. If the displayed image height is a 2 inches (51 mm), then the 56px font will be 0.037333333333333 inches (0.95 mm) tall. One would not expect such a font to be easily readable.
Thank you for the suggestion. Interestingly, it's actually the larger fonts in the image that I'm having problems with--the smaller ones are fine. I converted the fonts to curves, which worked in this case. Rob Hurt (talk) 22:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I just want to give you some reflections regarding size. I downloaded your file but when I opened it in Inkscape and looked at the page size the unit (px, mm, ...) is not set correctly. When I draw a box to check the size it's about 8000 px (pixels) high. That is not good (to my understanding) to draw something that big if it's intended to be used as an illustration within wikimedia. "Most" screen resolutions are about 1080 px high or slightly more. This is what I assume that the viewer of my graphic work probably will have. Then there is always frames and stuff both at top and bottom so the actually view area is even less. So in my graphic work I try to use that height and then I think about the size of text. I will never know at which size an illustration/map will be viewed at. So if I can't get a specific size from the requester I try to stick to max 1000 px in height and then I make it work in 100%. Then I can view in Inkscape or whatever program one uses that the illustration/map is legible at 100% regarding text, illustrations, lines etc. So for the illustration you link to it's very hard to know how it will be viewed when the page size is not set correctly. I write all of this just as my experience and I mean all well with it. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Could you please make a world map showing the correct info per Tesco wiki article? You dont have to vectorise this particular map but use another base template and make a new one. Thanks!--Roy17 (talk) 13:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm a little confused, but I would guess that the request is for an impaled shield with the arms of the Lord Mayor of London in the dexter and William Russell's personal arms in the sinister. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
~ scratches head ~ It sounds like a bit of artistic license is called for. It looks like the component elements are in SVG already, but as a heraldic newbie I'd only be guessing at what to do. If no more specific instructions are given, someone else will have to handle. —RCraig09 (talk) 00:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. File:Arms of William Russell as Lord Mayor of London.svg
Can someone please crop this .svg image? this logo with its transparent frame does not look good in info boxes. Thanks --Patchall (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Change the number and distances of the parallel curves
Please remove all of the current parallel curves, except the teal (#00cccc) one. In addition, please add parallel curves at distance of .375 and 1.125. The paramterizations for the parallel curves are for d = .375 and d = 1.125. Thank you very much.—The Editor's Apprentice (Talk) 18:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Margin is minimized. I'm not sure if the text should be white rather than transparent. Let me know if another change is needed. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:33, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
@4nn1l2: Thank you for the translations! I redrew the file to use embedded text (for some reason, the original file was a straight conversion of text to paths) and created a multi-language file using your text as an embedded Farsi translation. Please look through and make sure the line breaks were chosen appropriately. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand which of the two documents should be changed, or how. Could you explain, and post a link to the result that you want? —RCraig09 (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
UK 2019 Election Map (Please can a new map be created which is similar to this that excludes Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland to make it a England only map.
England 2017 Election Map (Please can a new map like this be created which shows results from the 2019 election).
Please can a map similar to this be recreated but exclude result from Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland to make it a England only map. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:11, 26 April 2020 (UTC))
Thank you. If you need any help this link might help you as it’s from the 2017 election and the broundries used were exectly the same For the 2019 election. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC))
@MOTORAL1987: Regrettably, the internal complexity of the SVG file make this change beyond my skill level in Inkscape (it's not just a matter of deleting colored areas, as it turns out). I can email anyone the SVG as far as I've taken it, but someone else will have to either continue it or start from scratch. Sorry to disappoint. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I have added a map from the 2017 election that could be used as a template for the 2019 results map. Please can someone take this up. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC))
The "International" in the map has an extra "l" in it; can it be edited out? The new file(s) should be uploaded over the old ones. --Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
The results of the 2017 UK general election in equal sized constituency blocks with regional borders
The results of the 2019 UK General Election in equal sixes constituency blocks without regional borders (Please can regional borders be added to this map.
Please can the image of the 2019 UK General Election Constituency map in equal sized blocks be modified so that reagional and the boundaries of Scotland and Wales can be seen in the map so the format looks the same to the 2017 map as shown. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC))
The seal now shown for Delaware is obsolete. In the new seal, the text "JACK MARKELL" should be replaced by "JOHN C. CARNEY". (See this image.) --Lambiam18:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello. is anyone could change this file into SVG? Because the creator created it with Clipstudio, It should be re-written into vector-based and enhanced. - Ellif (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, article of the English actor Bruce Payne does not have any image since its creation in 2005-06 and it has "9,222 pageviews" from 30 days ago, there was no image of him in here and I couldn't find any free image for him, and unfortunately I don't have any Twitter or Facebook account to ask him donate an image, even if he has one official account. I saw that the article Anders Behring Breivik uses a free digital sketch of him, and in Category:Emma Watson there are some painting of her, so can someone please create a basic sketch or painting for Mr. Bruce Payne so that we can use it for the infobox in all WP languages? since he is sill alive, it is not possible to use a copy-righted image as fair use. I will be really grateful, thanks. -- Editor-1 (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I am hoping to create simple maps with two-line captions and one simple GIF illustration to explain the problematic confusion between the ROC between 1912 and 1949 (aka China) and the ROC from 1949 to today (aka Taiwan), but I dont have SVG editing skills.
1st map (before 1895) would look like File:Ching Dynasty 1892.png. Coloured in yellow. Caption: before 1895Qing dynasty
2nd map (1895) like File:Ching Dynasty 1896.png. China coloured in yellow. Taiwan coloured in white or ivory? Caption: 1895Formosa (Taiwan) ceded to Japan
3rd map like File:China blank map (1936).svg. China coloured in blue. Taiwan coloured like 2nd map. Caption: 1912Republic of China (ROC) established
4th map like File:People's Republic of China - Taiwan.svg (Mongolia became independent). China and Taiwan coloured in blue. Caption: 1945Japan lost WWIITaiwan handed over to ROC
5th map like 4th map. China coloured in Red. Taiwan in blue. Caption: People's Republic of China (PRC), established in 1949, is commonly referred to as China. Republic of China (ROC), which retreated to Taiwan and other islands, is commonly referred to as Taiwan.
All other countries should be coloured in gray and no borders shown, because borders changed too often and they are not really what this series addresses.
I would like to check the five SVG first before making the GIF. Also please overwrite my sketch with the finished GIF and you can use whichever licence you prefer. It will of course be credited to you.--RZuo (talk) 20:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Please make a version undeletion request of old versions of w:en:File:Modern Vidya Niketan.jpg#filehistory (otherwise the vectorication would be difficult of such low-resolution images)
@Jeff G.: Sorry I overlooked your pdf, however the titlepage of https://mvneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/mvn_book.pdf only contain a singe rastergraphic over the whole page. I'm currently on Linux, however as far as I know if you open a PDF in Acrobat Reader, if it is a raster image you can click on it, then it should be marked and then you can copy it, if it is vector you neither can mark nor copy it. Or in any pdf-viewer you can just zoom in to detect if is pixaleted or not. — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions16:59, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
This file appears to have some errors whenever it is displayed, most notably the yellow bar being slightly displaced, and the background between the black and blue frames is transparent. However, whenever I look in the file's page, the file appears to be perfectly fine. Can someone please check to see if there is anything wrong with this file? Thanks! --TextClick (talk) 23:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
@TextClick: Hello, I personally didn't see a problem with the file, I think sometimes rendering text in SVGs can be a bit finicky. I made an alternative version of the sign that fixes that problem and also looks more accurate. ❧ affius(talk)18:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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File:Serenissima.svg
Request
Please replace the year in the legend header „L’Adriatico Italiano dalla Repubblica di Venezia al…”: 1955 → 1915.
Thank you. Cherurbino (talk) 09:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Goran tek-en (talk) 14:27, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Labdajiwa (talk) 02:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
I would like to request a vector recreation of these arms (was not able to find if there was a heraldry working group on Commons). I noticed that these are similar but different; I am not sure if one or both are in error or the arms merely changed during de Vargas' lifetime, but either way having the files would be useful, particularly since the depiction itself of de Vargas has become relevant recently. I would imagine that parts of contemporary arms from the Spanish Empire might be useful in creating the SVG. --Arlo James Barnes20:09, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: No, they are separated by 100 and refer to two separate physical paintings in two places in the world, one in Spain and a copy in New Mexico. Being an original and a copy, they should be near-identical in appearance, but as Commons only has a photo/scan of the copy, I cannot confirm this. Arlo James Barnes20:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Article(s): I need these for en:Cleavage (breasts), an article I believe is on the way to become at least a Good Article
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These are low res, bad finishing, badly colored images. Cleaning them up, enlarging them somewhat and enhancing the color would be highly useful. Aditya (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add a caption to the effect that the map is inaccurate. Both Madawaska and Saint-Jacques Parishes are bisected by Saint-Joseph Parish and both their northeastern portions are shown as part of Saint-Joseph Parish. The descriptions in the Territorial Division Act and on cadastral map numbers 9 and 20 are evidence of this error. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 00:48, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Please translate the image to SVG. The font is Cobe Heavy Italic by Stawix. Also please omit the logline "Your Financial Partner @ Work" because it is no longer used. An alternative PNG is found here. --William Graham (talk) 19:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
@William Graham: I am unsure on my opinion, but I personally disagree about the making the star white. There might be a precedent internally, but as far as I can tell their external branding is all over the place regarding thier logo. Some versions have a white star, some have a white outline, and others have both. I think the logo without a white star or a white outline is the best version. While looking for their logo I found that ~95% of the time their logo was presented on white, so an assumption could be made that the white star is part of the background. Let me know what you think. Here are a few examples of the logo that I found:
@Mrmw: Apparently you didn't understand me, maybe I wrote it badly. This file is translated to Czech language, but I must use param lang=cs. I want defult Czech language like here. Do you understand? Patriccck (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Image of superionic water
Unit cell of body-centered cubic crystal lattice
Unit cell of face-centered cubic crystal lattice
Many cells of face-centered cubic crystal lattice
Face-centered space-filling model of a crystal lattice
Superionic water has gotten a lot of press within the last year since it was reported here, and I think it might be nice to have an image of it.
It would look something like the images in Fig. 2a of this paper, where the red dots represent H+ and the white ones represent O2-. A key component of the diagram will be to show that the O2- ions are fixed in the lattice, but that the H+ ions are free to move through it. If there is no voltage applied across the system, then they will bounce around randomly, but if there is a voltage, then the system will conduct it and the H+ ions will all move in the same direction through the holes of the lattice, parallel to the electric field.
As far as the details of how the lattice should look, it should be body-centered, not face-centered, and probably space-filling. If you want to put units on it, the distance between planes of O2- in the crystal is about 1.8 Å.
It looks like the first and second images above are body-centered, and only the third is face-centered, contrary to their captions ... though I may not understand what the terms mean. In any event, an accessible link to a good "model" image would be helpful. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The captions are clearer now, thanks. However, I'm an electrical/computer guy and based on Fig. 2 I don't think I could competently handle chemical stuff, sorry. Maybe someone else here is up to it! —RCraig09 (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I might be able to help you, I have done some other things similar to this like File:NaCl polyhedra.svg but I'm a graphic worker and don't have any background knowledge for your request. This means that you have to explain in common language and explain more for me.
The image 2A are 2 dimensional but the images you have added here are a gitter in 3 dimensions. So which should the new image be in?
I actually don't fully understand what you mean is the difference between face- and body-centered, you will have to explain that more?
You also say you want it to be space-filling. Do you by this mean that you want H+ and O2- sizes be in relation to each other? If so then you have to state the relation.
You also write that H+ behave differently for voltage or no voltage and you want that to be shown. Does this mean you want two different images?
Once I understand the things above I will also need more info about the linked image 2a. I do hope you understand that it's hard for us graphic workers to understand this with out info. Please ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Goran tek-en, thanks very much for being willing to work on this. Here goes:
To start, I would make something very similar to File:NaCl polyhedra.svg, but with all the atoms being red and the same size, and the bonds between them being a bit thinner. The only major thing that will need to be changed about that figure is that it's face-centered, and would need to be body-centered. The way to think about the difference is that if you can draw a cube that touches all the atoms in a unit cell of the lattice, then it's face-centered. If it doesn't touch all of them, then it's body-centered. Does that help to understand the images shown above here? To get this from the image you have, I would just add an extra atom in the middle of each of the cubes (unit cells) in the lattice.
Then you can add the H+ ions. We'll need to think carefully about this part, because it's scientifically the most important part of the figure. This is what distinguishes superionic ice from regular ice: in regular ice, the two H+ ions stay pretty close to their O2- ion, but in ionic ice, they're free to move around through the holes of the lattice. That's what fig. 2 in that paper is trying to show. This is important because it means that ionic ice can conduct electricity, while regular ice can't. That's the exciting part about this discovery. To demonstrate this concept, I'm imagining something like this pair of images, showing that the electrons in a wire are free to move around, and it's not until you give them a positively-charged end to migrate to that they start to all move in the same direction (this unidirectional movement is what we know as an electric current). I actually really like this figure from a scientific standpoint, even if it's not the prettiest.
I think the number of atoms and the transparency is up to you--whatever makes the presentation of the scientific concepts the most clear. Could those be easily changed later?
The red atoms in the lattice would be O2-
In terms of the lattice spacing, I would make the distances match up to the fifth image above, with the ratio of r:a being about 1:4.
@Goran tek-en: Then I'd make it 3x3x3 O2- ions. The most important part is to show the behavior of the H+ ions passing through the lattice, so let's not make the lattice include so many O2- ions that it's hard to see the behaviors of individual H+ ions. Rob Hurt (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I want you to check this draft to see so the sizes, distances etc is what you want. I have only worked with the top left atom and its bindings so it doesn't looks correct for the rest. So give me feedback, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: I think this looks great, the only thing I might change is to make the lines slightly thicker so it’s a bit easier for the eye to perceive the depth. Rob Hurt (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt This is a draft with the lattice of the O2-. Check this and give me feedback on that part.
After that, to my understanding you want to show different states; 1-no voltage, 2- a voltage.
1. The H+ bounce around randomly.
2. The H+all move the same, parallel to the electric field.
So we should do two illustrations?
Which size (compared to O2-) and color should H+ have?
@Goran tek-en: I think this looks great. Yes, let's do two images, similar to this. The H+ is usually shown as white, and would be about half the diameter of O2-. There should be two H+ for each O2-. Thanks again, and let me know if you have more questions. Rob Hurt (talk) 00:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: I think this is looking great. The one thing I might change is the curves coming out of the backs of the particles, because to me these look like the particles are emitting waves. Maybe the arrows could be set up similar to this, but with the particle being at the middle of the arrow and the arrow's head being solid and the tail being dashed. Rob Hurt (talk) 23:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: this looks great, I don’t think there are any problems with it scientifically. I might put a gray background for display purposes, but that’s up to you. Rob Hurt (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt We use a lot of grey in the illustration so here are four different options which each gives very different result.
You have to check everything, number of H, shadows etc. I have tried my best but after a while you get kind of lost, feedback, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I really like the look of the last one, 72. A very minor thing I noticed is that if you compare the bonds at the front and back of the lattice (for example the bond in the front middle compared to the one in the bottom rear), they don't look parallel--is that just parallax from the view angle?
Rob HurtIs this what you mean. The tool I used creates a 3 dimensional box where the lines straight up is parallel, the lines left-right has a meeting point which is red lines here and the lines back-front has a meeting point in the back which is yellow lines here. This is a normal way to show 3d in 2d. I will start to look at the next one. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en yes, I think that's it. No problem if that's the normal way to do it. H+ is positively charged, so it should be repelled by the + plate and attracted to the - plate. Rob Hurt (talk) 19:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt After your question about the perspective I checked my work and I found that I actually had made some manual adjustments which might have created what you fond, so thanks for that.
So I have made a new version and I want you to compare those two and tell me which you want. I think the new version.
Goran tek-en this looks great, I think the only thing I’d change is that instead of having the H+ aligned in lines like many of them are, having them randomly distributed (though all still facing the direction you have them). Rob Hurt (talk) 19:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en yes, the way it would actually happen is that they would start out randomly ordered and randomly oriented, then when the electric field is applied they would all orient with this field as shown, then start moving from + to -. After moving for a while, they will ultimately line up in the space between planes of O2- so they can move through the lattice without hitting them, but this would only happen after several collisions with the lattice O2-, kind of like a Plinko board. I think the best way to illustrate this concept would be to make an "animation" with five frames, one showing each step of the process (all of which you'll have after making this last one), perhaps in a style like this (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Turk-knights-tour_anim.svg) but with each of the five frames lasting for two seconds or so. Rob Hurt (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en here's a start, but I might add a bit more after you post them:
For the first image:
Name of the file: superionic_ice_rest
Description (/language): In its superionic form (ice XVIII), the O2- ions (red) of ice form a lattice and the H+ ions (white) diffuse randomly through it.
Captions/s (/language): Superionic ice (ice XVIII) at rest.
Category/ies at commons: ice, water
For the second image:
Name of the file: superionic_ice_conducting
Description (/language): When placed in an electric field, the H+ ions (white) in superionic ice (ice XVIII) flow through the O2- ion lattice from the cathode to the anode.
Captions/s (/language): Superionic ice (ice XVIII) conducting protons in an electric field.
Category/ies at commons: ice, water, electrical conduction
Rob Hurt I'm trying to upload the files now but I'm having problems with the preview, the full image is correct. There is a lot of problems with svg previews here at commons. I don't know how to fix this right now but I will be back.
The category: electrical conduction does not exist on commons.
Rob Hurt I found away to work around the preview problems but the files are bigger in Mb.
You wrote about an animation you wanted and If you want I hope I can help you, but I want us to close this request and start a new one either here (ping me) or that you contact me on my talk page, thanks.
Can we improve and cleanup this raster so that it looks crisper and it can be re-usable in other articles? The source includes an original representation of the emblem for reference.--Fer1997 (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Please can a new pre Brexit SVG version of this map be made and also create a second map which excludes the United Kingdom due to Brexit as the current map is of very poor Quality and I feel something much better can now be made.
Mughalsarai junction have been renamed to Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction.(Ref here) Can the name be updated here ? PS: Use the station code DDU if the name looks too long on the map. --श्रीमान २००२ (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Commons query service (WCQS), at https://wcqs-beta.wmflabs.org/, uses at the moment Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) Favicon: . There is a phabricator ticket phabricator:T258835 to use different favicon for WCQS, but we do not have any good candidates. The idea would be to use logo used for Structured data on Commons: (or alternative logo ) and a magnifying glass to create a new logo. New SVG logo should resemble WDQS logo and should work at small sizes. --Jarekt (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I uploaded this picture to Commons in July 2020. I first thought this was too minor of a fix request to mention, but OTOH, I don't think it's a real super hard fix to make either. I uploaded the picture off a CD. No other image of it exists. I did not touch it up. It wasn't necessary. There are a couple "snow" spots in the margins, but those are part of the image. The problem is the inter-alignment. It was taken with a camera in front of the greeting card instead of overhead. Hence, the alignment is off. The inner black border image should be a perfectly shaped rectangle. Notice how it curves inwardly near the top left and especially the top right. It needs to be stretched in-out so that the black border is completely rectangular in shape, like is (for the most part) the top and bottom.
This image is on the lower end of importance. However, it would have been lost to history if not uploaded to Commons. It basically just backs up some part of the text of the WP article: Paul Martin (illustrator). His studio was on the second floor of his home. "Northern light" came into his studio from the extra large window, on the left side. (That's indirect sunlight which artists prefer over direct sunlight. The lighting is constant and doesn't move.) The artist Paul Martin drew this greeting card of his home, so it's somewhat of an artistic credit as well. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 05:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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perspective distortion of magazine cover
Article(s): en:Paul Martin (illustrator). The image is not in this WP article, but is reachable via its Ref. #64.
Request
Hello. I uploaded this cover image of a bearded man fixing a clock, to Commons in July 2018. I uploaded the picture off a CD. No other image if it exists (likely anywhere). The problem is the camera's original awkward position, which made the lettering (not image) come out curved. Hence, the perspective distortion. Notice how the wording along the top is curved. I don't know how to straighten that out some, because the curvy pattern touches the top of the man's head. (Maybe, a GIMP program or similar, has the ability to draw an outline around the upper head, before straightening that section out.) The bottom part wording (including the long black bar) also curves. It should be even. It would help having the top and bottom parts straighten out some.
This image is on the lower end of importance. However, it would have been lost to history if not uploaded to Commons. It basically just backs up some part of the text in the WP article: Paul Martin (illustrator). A section states he drew covers for four different trade magazines, including this one. It would be impossible to back up this credit w/o the upload. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 02:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. That helped. I decided to go with the first. I already uploaded it to Commons. The sharpened one just doesn't look natural enough. But, others would see it differently. I'll try to remember about the Photography Workshop for similar request. I thought the lab was going to bypass on this one for whatever reason. JimPercy (talk) 19:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
JimPercy Although commons is an open place it doesn't mean that you can upload an image which I have edited, you do not have that right. I who has done the edit has that right, no one else, and you don't know under which license I wanted to release it. We do have a lot of different licenses here and it's only the creator who can decide that. In fact you have wrongly stated that this version is your own work which it is not.
I specifically wrote 'drafts' as that is what I show the requester, very often I have to work more on the file before I say it's ready to be uploaded.
My intention was to upload this as a png image and not as a jpg. Jpg is a destructive format (it deletes image information) and to use that on an image that already is blurry is really bad, png is a none destructive format and therefore better.
Also the work flow here at the graphic lab is as follows: The requester makes a request, a graphic worker takes on this request. When the graphic worker is happy with its work he puts the code {{done}} here and if the requester accepts this work he puts the code {{section resolved|1=~~~~}} here so it can be archived. Done --Goran tek-en (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
I just don't know anything about png. I wasn't familiar with it. I was thrown off since the lab experts in past, have always made the change right at the image's page on Commons. I guess in hindsight, I should have just stated my preference of the two options. Please convert to png or do whatever is proper or deemed necessary. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC) PS. I put that tag in there, because of my reading of the last line in the one above with heading "Extract the mountain from the flag of Sabah." I just goofed, by not picking up on the exact order of how it's done.
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JimPercy New image uploaded, GoodHardware straightened. If you upload a new version on the image page or you upload a totally new image depends on which work that has been done, how much it's changed, and who uploads it. This is not something exact, it depends on the uploader and if it is of interest to keep the original image. So it's always a balance, more info. Everything is always kept here at commons (in the back) so it can be traced. --Goran tek-en (talk) 11:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Sam at Megaputer Checking the different links it feels a bit like promotion of that company. You are very open with your connection so that is no problem but it still feels a bit strange, but maybe I misunderstood it. Is there some kind of public free knowledge in this, as that is what commons (wikimedia) is all about for me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I asked some questions about image uploading at the help desk, and they said they would prefer if I converted it the SVG. I tried to do it myself, but the free converters I used didn't work properly. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Sam at Megaputer That was not at all what I asked about. Is there a public interest in this more than for that company?
@Goran tek-en: By "this", do you mean converting the image? I assume so, otherwise they wouldn't have asked me to do it at the help desk. They said it would "improve the quality of the upload". Sam at Megaputer (talk) 13:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: Honestly, the image will probably not be used outside of the article on PolyAnalyst. I don't know if the article will have a public interest outside of the company. It is my opinion that it is in the public interest to have good coverage of the maximum number of subjects, including companies, but I understand that there are some people here who disagree. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 15:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Sam at Megaputer I don't have any knowledge of this subject but it seems to be a kind of analytical method and if so that is something that can be used in many places and circumstances. Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC) But during the process I will need your feedback and knowledge as the illustration we have is not that great in detail.
@Goran tek-en: Your assessments are pretty accurate. This software imports data (in this case with a CVS node), and stores it is a form that is pretty similar to a spreadsheet. Then nodes are linked into a flowchart (aka en:directed acyclic graph) to perform an analysis. The text below each node is the node's name, which has been given by the user.
CSV is a database.
The derive node takes two columns of data as input and creates a new column as output by applying a function specifies by the user.
The partition node prepared the dataset to be split into pieces.
The following nodes are "filter row" nodes. Basically, they are just applying the partition that has already been specified. Based on the nodes names, I can infer that the top node has 20,000 rows, and the bottom node has 10,000.
The Convolutional Neural Network is like this, as you suspected.
The icon for the model testing node is composed of a magnifying glass over a key and a pie chart. If you were to take away the magnifying glass, you would be left with PolyAnalyst's logo.
@Goran tek-en: It looks that way to me. My guess it that it's a bit of a metaphor. The data goes in one side, travels through the "pipes", and comes out converted to a new form. "Plumbing" or "pipes" might be a good descriptors of the image. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 16:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
1) Of course I can do that but to me it's always also the perspective of creating something which is pleasant and nice to look at. So more contrast falls within that. Why do you want more contrast?
2) I'm using colors here also for the flow through the process. Green/blue in CSV is floating in to Derive and changing to grey/brown etc. Why should the CSV be gray, is that a standard?
3) Will do.
4) I made the symbols bigger in relation to the whole image size so that they are easily to view, that's why. I will spread out/add space. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
1) I'm comparing the new image to the original, and I think that if you made the blacks blacker it would sharpen up the borders.
2) The CSV nodes appear gray in the software, so I think we should preserve the original colors as much as possible. But if you have another idea, you may know what you are talking about. This is my first time doing this :) Sam at Megaputer (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Sam at Megaputer I'm always trying to think freely around an illustration, not comparing with the 'original'. To me an illustration like this should be easy to understand and to achieve this one work with both color and shape, not all who will view this will have knowledge about this subject but should as far as possible still be able to understand. It should also be pleasant to look at (very personal). It should be able to be reproduced in as many ways as possible. Once this illustration has been uploaded to commons it can be used in ways we didn't think about and by who ever wants, that is also something I consider. You say the color of the CSV should be gray because it looks like that in some software. You know that but does most people who will view this that, probably not. If you search for data base symbol you can see that they have all kind of colors. The Partition part is some kind of spread sheet so then maybe it should be white. As I said before the colors is used to visually show the flow. I will do a new draft for you. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Sam at MegaputerNew draft. How much white there is around the illustration is up to who will use it. It is transparent except for what is visible and there is no border around it. So that is what the user will add as is needed. To me, as described above, it's more important with larger symbols than longer arrows. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Sam at Megaputer I have my way of working here as a graphic worker, it will of course differ depending on who is the graphic worker. I always wants to include the requester as much as possible because that person has knowledge and information about this subject, I have some graphic knowledge and added together we can create something. Even if it is me as the creator who uploads it and sets the license I always include and credit the requester for its knowledge and information. I have to be able to be proud and stand for what I create here, if that doesn't fit I will not do the work. Other graphic workers does it differently.
I don't know what you otherwise is active with here at wikimedia and I'm pretty sure Megaputer doesn't know what applies when using material from commons. Everything here at commons is 'free', but not 'free' as in 'do what ever you want'. Every media file here must have a license on it. Any user, within or outside of wikimedia, must apply to what that license demands. Within wikimedia it's easy as everythin is linked together. This page gives you information for reusing content_outside_Wikimedia. It is very important that you inform Megaputer about this and the license I will use on this illustration will be CC-BY-SA 4.0 and as you also will see on it's page this license is not compatible with the licensing terms of YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and many other social networks, so there fore it can't be uploaded to such places. Breaking the terms of this license is just as bad as breaking against any copyright or ownership otherwise.
@Goran tek-en: Thanks for explaining about the copyright. I have informed Megaputer, and we're ok with those terms. Here are my recommendations for the upload:
Name of file: Convolutional-neural-network-polyanalyst-flowchart-example.svg (same as the original, but with the svg extention)
Description: PolyAnalyst's GUI contains a number of linkable nodes, each of which performs a different function. An analyst must link these nodes into a flowchart to performs an analysis. This image demonstrates the use of a convolutional neural network node to execute a machine learning task with PolyAnalyst. (Same as in the original upload, but with the word "image" in place of "screenshot". Don't forget to attribute it you keep it.)
Caption: This image shows a PolyAnalyst flowchart that performs a machine learning task.
Categories: Software, Data science, Machine learning, Directed acyclic graphs.
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The focus is on the impact location. So there is no need to twist the air craft silhouette as it would not add any information value. Even if you would replace the plane by a simple arrow the message would be the same and would have no impact on the quality. -- MaxxL - talk07:20, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
If the focus is on the impact location, they should replaced with arrows then. It gives the false impression that both aircraft were level.--BevinKacon (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Help translate these 2 constituency maps. Republic of the Philippines=Republik Filipina, Celebes Sea=Laut Sulawesi, Sulu Sea=Laut Sulu, South China Sea=Laut China Selatan, Brunei Bay=Teluk Brunei, Darvel Bay=Teluk Darvel. All the S with numbers change to N (eg. S13=N13). 2020 New Seats=Kerusi Baru 2020. Thank you! --Tofeiku (talk) 08:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
Adapt superionic water image for electrical conduction
Goran tek-en, could we make a version of this that we can use to demonstrate the concept of the flow of electrons through a wire in electrical conduction? This would involve:
Changing the colors so it's clear that the new image is different from the current one (I would make the lattice atoms shiny and copper-colored, the electrons blue, and the - plate black)
Switching the + and - plates (or reversing the directions of all the arrows)
Optionally, adding a "zoomed out" image of the wire the electrons are flowing through like this, to connect the microscopic and macroscopic
Usernameunique This is not so clear to what is known or not as the other one. I'm working on it but it will take a bit of time, other parts of life also need it's time, I will be back. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Usernameunique Now I need your help to check so I got all the known parts in this draft. Please check so I got all the known parts, it's quit difficult in some areas. After your feedback I will continue to work but be aware that this might take some time, hope you understand, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Goran tek-en. I'll take a look and follow up shortly. There's no rush at all as far as I'm concerned—this is the most complicated design on the helmet (by far), and I really appreciate your volunteering to help with it. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en, this looks great. As you said, this is a very difficult design, but I only have a few nits:
1) The "known" part of the horse's head is a little smaller. It should be brought in a tad, with the outlines shown as "reconstructed".
2) The triangular portion that is highlighted below the horse's head (i.e., in the space between its head/neck and the strap that the figure with the sword is grasping) is mostly empty space—its primary significance is that makes the outline of the horse's neck "known".
3) A few parts of the horse should be marked as "known":
a) The chest of the horse (the small portion right where the sword enters)
b) The shaded section a little to the right of this (next to the vertical "hair" which is next to the shield)
c) The shaded sections beneath the shield
d) The small shaded sections to the right of the back-strap (above the horse's hind legs)
Usernameunique As all the lines between known and unknown doesn't follow the shaded parts it's hard to know exactly where. To me they have shown the unknown parts/things/objects with dashed lines and not the whole unknown area and it's not shaded. So I have guessed in some parts.
1) I don't understand the word "tad" and how do you mean by smaller? Is it possible for you draw lines on my draft and send me.
2) Yes, to me that is a part of the horses throat and it will be mainly shaded to show the shape. It will be more clear later on.
3)
Thanks, Goran tek-en. I just emailed you with an image of the horse's head; let me know if that is clear, or if you have any questions about it. By the way, "a tad" is just a colloquial term for "a little" or "slightly." --Usernameunique (talk) 15:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Usernameunique This design has a background also which the previous didn't have.
Do you know what it is sticking out down to the left, I don't understand?
Draft with known parts and transparent unknown parts.
Sorry for the delay, Goran tek-en. Just one very minor comment: the vertical line that forms part of the rider's arm and that is directly next to where the reconstructed sword hilt is reconstructed, not known. I'll send you an email highlighting the area, to be clear. By the way, I see the drafts are pngs; will it be possible to render the final versions as svgs?
The thing that is sticking out down to the left is a scabbard. From a book on the subject: "The scabbard, though in a somewhat abnormal position in relation to the wearer's body, neatly fills the empty space that would otherwise exist under the fallen warrior's back in this corner of the panel. ... The position of the scabbard may have relevance to the method by which the sword was suspended. It is explicable if the sword was carried on a baldric or shoulder strap, but not if attached at or below the waist." --Usernameunique (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Usernameunique Thanks for info. I forgot to tell you that of course I work in svg and the files to be uploaded will be svg. The server where I show my drafts doesn't render svg's the same way as wikimedia does, so that is why I show my drafts as png. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Here you can see some red lines. It shows two areas at which you have to decide what to do.
To the left, to my understanding, it is like a harness that goes around the front of the horse. Do you think I should add that?
To the right I think the behind legs should be moved backwards to meet with the known line. DO you think I should adjust it? Give me feedback, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en, thanks again for your work on this, and my apologies for taking so long to respond. On #1, I don't think we should add the harness. There might have been one (there appears to be one on the Pliezhausen brooch, which has a similar design), but it's speculative on the Sutton One design. On #2, that's an interesting observation, but I think it makes sense to leave it as is. Zooming in on the design I emailed you, it looks like the end of the known line is the beginning of the horse's tail (there appears to be a small line separating the tail from the horse's rump) so it is probably okay to leave it as is. I've emailed you a close-up image showing this separation. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Usernameunique I haven't heard from you in a while so I have uploaded the illustrations now. If anything needs to be changed in them just contact me, thanks.
Goran tek-en, thanks for your fantastic work on this! Also, sorry I've been slow to respond during the process. If you get a chance, the reconstructed design should not have the outlines that are currently in white (i.e., the "known" portions of the design). And the full design should not differentiate between the known and reconstructed portions of the horse's tail. In any event, this makes a great addition to the Sutton Hoo helmet article; thanks again. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:41, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Goran tek-en. What I mean is that the "full" design shows which part of the horse's tail is known, and which part is reconstructed—it should not make this distinction. I just emailed you with an image highlighting the area in question. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Tortoise speed
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The image supposes that a tortoise can run 5 m/s. No source supports this speed. The world record is 0.28 m/s. The French Wikipedia allows that 5 m/s is "unlikely" but says that the 5 m/s speed "makes the graph more readable". I submit that the graph would be quite readable if it reflected a plausible speed of 0.2 m/s for the tortoise, and I have modified the English text accordingly. Please bring the figure into the realm of possibility, perhaps redrafting it as an SVG. Thanks.
--Peter M. Brown (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
@Peter M. Brown: hi, here you have the diagram as svg - in my opinion its not recommendable to use the real speed of the toiroise in the diagramm - it would mean a almost horizontal line
is there any discussion about this topic in english? --Mrmw (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mrmw: No, there hasn't been and there should be. You're right, we can't use the real speed of the tortoise. The options seem to be:
No change.
Delete the graph from the articles, counting on the text to make the relevant points.
Modify the legend — it represents the course of the race if a tortoise could run at 5 m/s or if Achilles were racing a squirrel.
I will initiate a discussion of the matter and get back to you. I note that I have 60 days to do this.
If we keep using a graph, it would be nice to replace it with your SVG version. You would have to label the Achilles and tortoise (squirrel?) lines and label the axes "distance" and "time".
@Mrmw: I have deleted the figure from the English Wikipedia, a measure proposed in :en:Talk:Zeno's paradoxes § Remove the distance vs. time graph in § Achilles and the Tortoise?. I note that you have already installed an svg in the German version, with the lines for Achilles and the tortoise color-coded and identified in the legend. I do not understand the German legend text (what is the Strahlensatz?), but I recommend that this approach be applied to the French version which, as I have noted, does not share the difficulties of the English. Do you want to do this, or shall I?
SVG: Darstellung von Mustern/Musterfeldern in der PNG-Vorschau
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Das angelegte Muster auf dem Felsen (unten) wird nicht angezeigt.
Request
Ich habe ein Wappen gescannt (Pixelgrafik) und mit Adobe Illustrator verktorisiert. Der Felsen, auf dem der Hirsch steht, ist im Original mit einem Punktraster gefüllt, für das ich in AI ein entsprechendes Musterfeld angelegt habe. Der mit diesem Muster gefüllten Pfad wird in der PNG-Vorschau nicht gerendert (geparced?), sichtbar ist die Ebene darunter (schwarz). Kann man da unkompliziert etwas im Text (SVG-Code) machen, ohne dass die Dateigröße unnötig aufgeblasen wird?
I scanned a coat of arms (pixel graphics) and vectorized it with Adobe Illustrator. The rock on which the deer is standing is originally filled with a point grid, for which I created a corresponding pattern field in AI. The path filled with this pattern is not rendered (parced?) in the PNG preview, the layer below is visible (black). Can you easily do something in the text (SVG code) without unnecessarily inflating the file size? --Puck04 (talk) 23:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Mrmw: Danke sehr. Mich würde interessieren, wo der Fehler war. Verrätst du es mir und den anderen Interessierten hier, wenn's nicht zu aufwendig für dich ist?--Puck04 (talk) 14:08, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@Puck04: der fehler lag wohl in der attributierung der betreffenden elemente - welches genau kann ich nicht sagen - es empfiehlt sich das svg in inkscape unter 'optimiertes svg' zu speichern - dabei werden viele der unnötigen attribute, wie hier z.b. von adobe erzeugt, entfernt --Mrmw (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Flag of House Mantear
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Could someone please create an SVG file of the Flag of House Mantear, which is described in The Wheel of Time Companion book as consisting of a "silver anvil on a field quartered blue and red" (and I'd recommend putting blue in the first quarter). I've provided an image containing an anvil above for use as a template if anyone wishes to try it. And I'd also ask that the image be made in a 3:5 size ratio. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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Would someone please create an SVG file of the Flag of House Carand, which is described in The Wheel of Time Companion as consisting of "three golden arrows, points upward, the center arrow slightly raised, on a field of red." I've provided an arrow template above for anyone who wants to try it. And I'd also ask that the flag be kept in a 3:5 size ratio. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Will someone please create an SVG file of the Flag of House Coelan, which is described in The Wheel of Time Companion as "two red roses, side by side, on a field of horizontal blue and white stripes." The number of stripes can be left up to interpretation, although I would ask that there be an even number of them, and also that the topmost stripe be blue. And I would also recommend making the flag in a 3:5 size ratio. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:34, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mrmw: Great work, and thank you. Although now that I see it, is there any chance the flag could be modified so that it has just one more blue stripe at the bottom, but still kept in the 3:5 ratio and with the two roses still in the centre? Sorry about this. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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Can someone please create an SVG file of the Personal flag of Logain Ablar, which is described in Chapter 18 of Knife of Dreams as consisting of "three golden crowns in a field of blue." For anyone who wishes to try this, I'd recommend using the crown provided in the image above as a template, and also that the three crowns be arranged in a vertical line, one above the other. And, as with my other requests, I'd like for the flag to be made in a 3:5 size ratio. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@고려: Updated according to your source, I updated the existing SVG but now i have the doubt they are actually the same flags that I replaced. If not, i can re-upload them as new images.
I've chekced, and actually it is another flag. the correct Imperial standard is more similar to the previous version (see here: [18] and [19]). I'll fix everything asap. Sette-quattro (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sette-quattro: It's not true. I didn't distort it. The flags drawn can be distorted. But I brought a real flag from the museum. I've brought a real "standard" from a Turkish museum. There's also evidence that I'm not lying.--고려 (talk) 11:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
@고려: I'm not accusing you of anything :) I'm just a graphic designer, not expert on the topic. If you think this is the correct one, let's keep it. What about then the other flag? This one [20]? Should i draw also that one? Finally, from which book is taken the page you showed in the previous post (this [21])? we should add it as additional reference in the page. Sette-quattro (talk) 13:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
It is possible, but why should we add border to the signature? the background is transparent. If you need margin it hink it's more appropriate to add it via template, anyway I don't know which are the best practices on commons/wikipedia about margins Sette-quattro (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sette-quattro: Thank you for telling me about this great tool! How do I put labels on picture with words? Some files I tried states that it does not have any labels to translate. --Tofeiku (talk) 09:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
it is a useful graphics describing three methods (the third one deprecated) to encode the angström sign in unicode. The second method is combining the ordinary letter "A" with the ring symbol. Unfortunately, the current text ("U+212B + U+030A (line break) LATIN CAPITAL LETTER + COMBINING RING ABOVE") is wrong: "U+212B" must be replaced by "U+0041" and "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER" must be replaced by "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A"
Re-create the above image from scratch, without the watermark
The linked image is watermarked, under an OTRS permission and of very low overall quality. Since it's basically just a colored version of the world map (we have plenty of those illustrations already), it should be pretty easy to re-create in a new, higher-quality version which would be free of the watermark and restrictions of the current license. --Metalindustrien (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The current Laurel Branches are slightly different from the ones used in the official standards. [22][23][24] Can anyone update the existing Laurel Branches with a rendering more faithful to the originals? Thanks in advance! --Flaspec (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Flaspec: Hello, using your image and a collage i made from other sources [26] i redrew the laurels, following the correct pattern on the sides. I'm not completely satisified with the shape of leaves, when I will have time i could improve them. Let me know what you think. Sette-quattro (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@Sette-quattro: The new laurels are more faithful to the originals (and more beautiful tooǃ). I hope we can update the current standards soon. Congratulations, you nailed itǃ --Flaspec (talk) 03:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@Vlixes: you say the SVG is your own work. I assume that refers to the vectorization, because the GIF is attributed to the city government, so why can’t you change it yourself?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Odysseus1479, it vectorized online.
I will delete the grey scale image when the colored will be done. The licension goes to city goverment, yes (PD-CAGov). CC license i choose for fast upload. --Vlixes (talk) 20:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
If there’s no use for the monochrome version, it’s simplest to overwrite it with the colour version. Anyway, it’s acceptable to take shortcuts while uploading, but only if the information is corrected immediately afterward. In future please be sure to fix the attribution & licence as soon as possible, and to qualify “own work” where the file is not entirely original to you.
I notice the traced logotype is pretty poor, so I’ll see what I can do about cleaning that up, while I‘m at it. Request taken by —Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Done@Vlixes: I recreated the whole thing, using elements from a PDF I found on the city website, and filled in the background with white. (I note that they don’t seem to be using the cartouche any more—and the logotype on the stationery is in grey, but I made it black here anyway. The green in the tree is also darker than in the GIF.) Let me know if you’d like any further tweaks.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Would somebody please make the background of these images pure white? For the final one (Asthall barrow Merovingian bottle), please only make the part outside of the outline white. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
@Usernameunique: would it not be better to remove the backgrounds altogether? The PNG format supports transparency, and you can still put them on a white background if desired, or indeed any other colour.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
It’s a pity they’re so small, which will make the edges less clean-looking than they might be—but at least it’ll make the job quicker. ;) Request taken by —Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:51, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Odysseus1479. Agreed that the size (and resolution) is a shame. They're all taken from a 1924 article; slightly better images are around, but copyrighted. Once the Asthall barrow article is in better shape I'll ask the Ashmolean if they'd be willing to provide better images, although this is probably a long shot. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Done@Usernameunique: please check them over, particularly the bottle, and let me know if further tweaks are needed. They’re all a little rough in places, but not very noticeably without zooming in.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Odysseus1479. These look great. It's a bit indulgent to ask, but would you be interested in helping out with four further files (1, 2, 3, 4) that I added to the article since the initial request? (#3 and #4 would be like the bottle, that is, with the interior left as is and the exterior made transparent.) No worries if you've had your fill; I can post these as a separate request instead. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
No problem, @Usernameunique, and I’ll have a go at the others; you can either leave this request open until the additions are taken care of, or mark it “resolved” and any required follow-up discussion can take place on one of our UTPs.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
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@Snow Lion Fenian: - For what good reason or application do you need an SVG? The present PNG is of an excellent quality and high resolution. It should fulfil all imaginable reuse. As Ludger1961 has created the SVG of which he generated the PNG, you should ask him whether he is willing to release the original first. -- MaxxL - talk10:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@MaxxL: I see where you're coming from. But what exactly do you mean by the current image being able to fulfill all imaginable reuse? I'd genuinely like to know, if it's okay. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 12:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@Snow Lion Fenian: - What I mean is that any imaginable encyclopedia usage or need can be satisfactory covered with the presently available PNG. The only party that needs a SVG are those that copy SVGs here and offer them disrespecting any license on their websites like shutterstock.com, alamy.com etc. Therefore artists decided to upload only PNG-images with medium resolution of their artwork to avoid exploitation. -- MaxxL - talk12:47, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Kotatsu.svg rendering issue
Kotatsu diagram
Request
The label in the upper-right corner is supposed to say "Blanket". The thumbnail view on Wikipedia and the file page incorrectly show a black box, but directly viewing the file in Chrome looks correct. The thumbnails of the previous versions of this file look correct. --Chris857 (talk) 00:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
This file is in svg but does not has <text/> and cannot use in svgtranslate. anyway it would be grate if this can translate easier. — 𝙋𝙖𝙩𝙨𝙖𝙜𝙤𝙧𝙣 𝙔.ᴛᴀʟᴋ07:38, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a location map for the capital city of Sabah but there's no location map for Sabah however. I want to use it for Location map module in Wikipedia. --Tofeiku (talk) 14:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute over which representation of the gluon field should be used in the relevant English Wikipedia articles. A version of the first image (with the gluon flux tubes) is requested for the antiproton and antineutron. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
i think you should delete this files in en-wiki to avoid conflicts and to make sure to dispaly commons-version in en-wiki --Mrmw (talk) 12:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Article(s): Certain articles relating to The Wheel of Time series.
Request
Could someone please create an SVG heraldic template of the Red Kingspenny blossom, which is a fictional flower within the TWOT universe. One such impression of the flower can be seen as part of this image here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 13:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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Could somebody please create a svg version of this image? Four comments:
1) I will email a high-resolution image to whomever takes the request
2) In the linked image, both wings have 21 garnets (the black boxes under the wings). Please modify the right wing to have 22 garnets. But please keep the length of the wings the same.
3) Please remove the curved line at the very bottom
4) If it helps to have some context, this is the simplified design from the front of the Sutton Hoo helmet (image).
@Usernameunique: Doable, but I don't know if it would be allowed. The original image is under copyright, and uplaoded downscaled following the 'fair use' approach. If we vectorialize it? who is the rights owner? I'm not expert of that so i would suggest you to check this before. Sette-quattro (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Sette-quattro. Although the image linked to is from a 1972 article, the underlying design is from the sixth or seventh century, and thus well out of copyright. The 1972 image is extremely faithful to the original—including minor differences in the number of silver wires in the wings (43 vs. 46), and a right wing that is millimeters shorter than the left—so I don’t think it has much claim to copyright protection of its own. Let me know if you think anything else is needed. Thanks, —Usernameunique (talk) 15:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Sette-quattro. The left side should have 21 squares, however; only the right side should have 22. (For reasons not relevant here, the eyebrows on the Sutton Hoo helmet were slightly different. It's discussed in the last paragraph of Sutton Hoo helmet § Construction, and the second paragraph of Sutton Hoo helmet § Dragon motifs.) And if you have time and feel like it, there are two other very minor edits that could me made. First, there is a stray dot on the far left (in the lip of the left boar's head). Second, there could be slightly less white space separating each of the black squares; there is more space separating the boxes to the right of eyebrow than there is separating the boxes to the left of each eyebrow. The spacing on the left sides is perfect.
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Could somebody please create a replacement free version of this file? It should look largely the same, if possible, but the vertical animal head on the crest should be removed. Please email me for the high-resolution image. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! I'd like to use the SVG version of the flag within the article, however, it is missing a key element and is inferior to the JPG. I need eight white five-pointed stars on both sides of the blue part of the shield. I would also like the black borders removed of the design within the circle. Thank you so much! --Jordano53 (talk) 14:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jordano53: Hello! In heraldry the only relevant, factual information is the blazon - the written description of the shield. All pictures you will find are just an artist interpretation of the blazon which may vary widely. Every flag manufacturer or communication agency has its own preferred artist and layout. The longer or intensively you search the more versions you will find. -- MaxxL - talk14:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@MaxxL: The 13 stars in this National Shield seem to originate from the 1912 flag decided by city council. The American Heraldry Society blazons the 13 stars within the CREST above the ARMS, not in the azure field of the SHIELD. Couldn't find dictation to explain when the changes were decided, but I'd reason it was a stylistic choice. 17 stars representing admission into the union, and 13 stars for the colonies becomes too cluttered when the usage is in a small format (think letterheads, print documents etc.) Looks great on that wood carving though! --Suzy K Wells (talk) 04:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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English: Hello, who read. Before starting my request, I told him that I wasn't very good at using English. I translate, using Google translation. So I apologize if the translation is wrong :). Continue to the heart of the request. I opened the kemdikbud.go.id site just for fun. Then I went to the About Logo section. Then I noticed that the color version in Commons was different from the law at the Ministry of Education and Culture. So, just change the blue and yellow colors according to the site. ~ THX ~
Bahasa Indonesia: Halo, yang baca. Saya saat itu buka situs kemdikbud.go.id buat iseng iseng doang ye kan. Lalu saya iseng tuh pergi ke bagian Tentang Logo. Kemudian saya perhatikan bahwa versi warna di WikiCommons berbeda dengan peraturan di Kemendikbud. Jadi, permintaannya ubah warna biru dan kuning sesuai arahan situs. ~ Terima kasih ~
I created two of the requested icons but need more information for the rest. For the Diamond League icon, I wasn't sure what you would prefer so I created two versions using the logo gradient and the darker blue in the logo. Use the one you prefer and we can delete the unused one. For the following requested icons it looks like there is an existing version already:
* National record under 20-
* European record under 20 -
* European record under 23 -
* North American record under 20 - . Likewise for Africa , South America , Asia , and Oceania .
For the World, European, and National under 18 Best Performance, what should be in the text? WB18, EB18, NB18 or something else? Let me know so I can create anything else you need.
According to the internal document on page 16, the yellow text on a white background is incorrect due to "Wrong use of colour on wordmark". The correct use of Thai Airways' text colour is
If the background is "transparent", "white", and according to the document on page 15, "Light colour backgrounds" and depends on the "Image backgrounds", the text colour shall be purple.
If the background is, "purple", and according to the document on page 15, "Corporate colour and corporate colour gradient backgrounds", "Dark colour backgrounds" and depends on the "Image backgrounds", the text colour shall be yellow.
고려 For us graphic workers without any knowledge of this subject it's impossible to understand what you want changed, really. You would have to be more explicit for us to understand and then consider to take this request. Please always think that we have zero knowledge of the subject which probably is your specialty. --Goran tek-en (talk) 12:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
There's a design on page 5, so you can draw it as it is. I don't understand what kind of explanation I need.--고려 (talk) 12:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
고려 There is an outline flag (just black lines on brown) on that page so it doesn't tell me anything about color or else. So to me I don't understand what you want changed. But if you don't understand let someone else work on this, otherwise always ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en as we discussed, it could be helpful to take the images you already have for superionic ice and to make an animation that would show the process by which it becomes conductive in an electric field (which is the most remarkable feature of superionic ice). Here's a proposal for what the frames could be:
H+ ions are randomly ordered and randomly oriented
Charged plates appear, indicating that an electric field is applied
H+ ions rotate in place to orient with this field
H+ ions start moving from + to -
More frames of them moving
I think this animation is great: in the beginning you can see them bouncing randomly around the lattice, and as soon as the switch is flipped, they all start moving in one direction, still bouncing off the lattice atoms as they encounter them.
Those are just a few thoughts to start off with, but let's brainstorm some more.
I don't know how much you know about different file formats and especially svg - gif. For svg and animation that includes coding at a level I don't have, and with so many objects we will have it would be complicated, compared to the one you linked to.
The more common way to do an animation is by working with a bitmap format, gif, like this. If you compare gif with svg there are big differences, a svg file can be enlarged and will always be sharp. A gif can't be enlarged without being unsharp, like any bitmap, photo taken by a camera. It can also only hold 255 different colors as a svg indefinitely numbers of colors more or less. So if you want me to help you I will have to work in gif.
To start with we have to decide how large the animation should be, the ones we finished are 1202 × 1074 px. The bigger a gif is in px the heavier it will be so we have to test that also. If there is a big difference between the original size (100%) and the thumbnail it can be hard to understand the thumbnail. I think we can make it a bit smaller maybe 800 in stead of 1074? If you think all of this is fine and you want me to continue I can make a test in that size and we can take it from there? --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt Yes, full lattice. I have realized that I probably have to work from the last frames where H+ are structured and ordered and then backwards against randomly. So what I need to know if the last frames will be like file:Superionic ice conducting.svg but moving or should H+ be ordered in a even more structured way? --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I don't understand at all. Please don't give me information I don't need right now, it is confusing for me as it is not my subject of knowledge. Stick to what we do right now, the rest we take later on.
1. Regarding what the final slides will look like, I think this animation is quite accurate. You'll see that even though they're all moving in one direction, there's no point at which they're lined up like in file:Superionic ice conducting.svg because they're constantly colliding with the lattice atoms. It's a convenient simplification for the image to show that they're all lined up nicely, and while it gets across the main point that they travel with the field, that's not how it would actually happen.
2. Regarding the lattice geometry, yes, for it to be technically correct we would need to add those atoms (one in each face of each unit cell), and for each O2- we would need to add two H+. In real life it would be that crowded. This would apply to the images and the animation. However, in my opinion, if we have to choose between the image/animation being completely scientifically accurate but hard to understand or being easy to understand but having scientific flaws, I think the latter would be better. Of course, if it could be accurate and easy to understand, that would be ideal. This is a judgement call, and I wanted to bring it up to get your opinion too, because perhaps you have ideas about how to find a good compromise. What I think I would do would be to add the O2- atoms but not the H+, and to make the O2- and the bonds between them more transparent. But I also want to hear what you think would be best. —Rob Hurt (talk) 04:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt If we add all the stuff as it should be, then adding the H+ movement (takes several 'images' to achieve even a small move) it will be really complex. My computer and my software might not really like it, I think there are special software to achieve advanced animations like this and I don't have it. Also my brain has it's limitations as we are talking about (please check and correct if the numbers are wrong) 63 of O2- and 126 H+ and the H+ will exist in probably 10-14 different positions to achieve the animation. It's so easy to get lost there somewhere.
But now I am a person who likes to fulfill assignments/challenges and often not having the most advanced tools but still getting a god result.
So if you have the time (will take some time for me, have to redo stuff in another way, not so demanding for the computer) I would like to start with doing one part of the lattice as a test so we can get an idea of what it would look like. If the final result turns out well we can add this to the previous images, I'm using the same 'base image'. --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt As we don't show all sides around the O atoms (not outside the lattice) we should not have O*2 for the H. We have two 'corridors' left-right but have three 'walls' of O. We show all the H in the 'corridors' but we only show the H which are on the inside of the 'corridors'. This is the the same for front-back.
So although we have
63 O
we should only show
72 H
because there is 9 O which should show 2*H for. It took me a while to think about this, but I'm not 100% sure, you tell me.
For this test I only show 1/8 and the random part so imagen 8 times that, I think it will be enough and I don't think I can handle any more really, test image. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Lattice and movement look good, and it’s up to you if you want to change the transparency of the lattice atoms or bonds to make the H+ easier to see. And yes, technically there would only be 64 H+ based on the number of atoms that are shown, meaning 8 per unit cell. It looks like you currently have 9 in the unit cell you animated, so it might actually be manageable. —2600:1700:5D80:7F60:7:8255:B14F:358003:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I tried transparency but it got really hard to understand as you see all which is behind also. It might take some time now because I have other stuff also going on. --Goran tek-en (talk) 11:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt Now I have added all the O2- and I show you two different drafts with different transparecy for the bindings. Give answers per above and feedback on the bindings drafts, thanks.
Goran tek-en yes I think it's safe to assume that the scattering is mostly off the atoms, not the bonds. For the transparency, I think something in the middle would be good, maybe 30%. Did transparency for the atoms work too? Rob Hurt (talk) 00:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt Here are two drafts with and without transparency on the atoms. To me it gets really confusing when there is transparency on the atoms also.
Here is a draft with the random part as animation. I removed the looping for this so you have to reload it to view it again. I don't really know what I think of this. there is a lot going on but I don't understand what I see although I know what it is. Should the collisions be more visible, will it be better when the next two stages are added or what? I really need your thinking on this.--Goran tek-en (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I actually think the animation looks good. I agree that it's hard to track each H+ because there are so many, but the important part is that it shows random motion. The most important point is that when the plates appear the motion switches from random to directional, and I'm hoping that when you add in that part, it will be clear. Is it possible to add some more frames for the random motion before making the plates appear? It just goes pretty quickly when watching it. -Rob Hurt (talk) 21:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt So good to hear because I'm so deep in to the motion of each H+ it's hard for me to see the bigger over all picture.
This has 10 frames and each is 250 ms. Shorter time on each gives a smoother appearance but of course shorter total length. Yeas I can add more frames, it's all a matter of how much work I put in to it and the final animation gets heavier. This draft is about 1.8 Mb and if we add more frames in the random part and then we have the other two stages so the total might be up to 7-8 Mb. It's not really a problem in it self but for some people on slow connections it might be, but that is always a judgement one has to make. I will add five more frames and we can look at that.
I'm thinking on making the collisions more visible by making the splash symbols I use bigger. They are almost not visible as they pass by so fast. --Goran tek-en (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean by H+ ions rotate in place to orient with this field. Rotate how?
List number 4. I must continue from where the H+ left of in its random face. So if a H+ was travelling from right to left and the electric field appears. Do this H+ make a soft turn slowly change its direction towards left to right (like a curved movement trowing a ball up)? Or is it a sudden break and then moving left to right? --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I think we should model it after this, and you can pay particular attention to when the light get turned on, which is equivalent to when the plates appear. The rate at which they change direction will be proportional to the rate at which the plates appear. So if they appear gradually the H+ ions will change direction gradually, and if they appear suddenly, the H+ ions will change direction quickly. --Rob Hurt (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I'm sorry for my absence, if you think I'm away to long just ping me.
Now I have added 8 frames (last 2,4 sec) with 5 H moving around to make sure this is what you want. The plates appears in three steps (frames). Draft wit 8 new steps. You will have to reload to view it again.
Rob Hurt I did think of that also so I have added five frames. As this will probably be on continuous looping I have a first frame for 2 sec where you can put an short explaining text, if you don't want it just let me know.. This so people will know when the animation begins. There are two drafts now with 300ms respective 400ms per frame.
Goran tek-en I think I prefer the 400 ms version. For the titles, you could have one saying "Proton conduction in superionic water" then one saying "In the absence of an applied electric field, H+ ions diffuse in the O2- lattice", then the first part of the animation, then a title saying "When an electric field is applied, H+ ions migrate towards the anode" and then the rest of the animation where the plates appear. -Rob Hurt (talk) 22:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en this looks great to me. Thanks for all of your hard work on this. Perhaps we should upload versions with and without the titles. Is there a way to also upload the original file so that other users could modify it if they want? -Rob Hurt (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Rob Hurt I will need the following for each file (with and without titles);
Name of the file
Description (/language)
Captions/s (/language)
Category/ies at commons
to be able to upload it at commons. If you don'y know about Captions read here.
It is many many steps in seven different Inkscape files and then export from those, import to Gimp with some steps there and finally export from that. It would need an extensive instruction for someone else to be able to use them and probably they would create it in another way. So I can't really see that as doable. --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Name of the file: proton_conduction_superionic_ice_titled
Description (/language): In superionic ice (ice XVIII), the O2- ions (red) form a lattice, and the H+ ions (white) diffuse through it. When an electric field is applied, superionic ice becomes a fast ion conductor, and the H+ ions migrate through the lattice towards the anode.
Captions/s (/language): animation showing proton conduction through superionic ice (ice XVIII) in a static electric field (with titles)
Category/ies at commons: Ice, Water molecule, Ions, Electric field, Crystal structures, Fast ion conductor
Without titles
Name of the file: proton_conduction_superionic_ice
Description (/language): In superionic ice (ice XVIII), the O2- ions (red) form a lattice, and the H+ ions (white) diffuse through it. When an electric field is applied, superionic ice becomes a fast ion conductor, and the H+ ions migrate through the lattice towards the anode.
Captions/s (/language): animation showing proton conduction through superionic ice (ice XVIII) in a static electric field
Category/ies at commons: Ice, Water molecule, Ions, Electric field, Crystal structures, Fast ion conductor
Goran tek-en this looks great--I think it's done. I didn't archive it so you can see my response, but feel free to. Yes, let's change the lattice to be face-centered like in the animation. We can leave the H+ ions as they are, because they look good with the arrows. Technically, we should add two H+ ions for every O2- ion you add to the lattice, but we also don't want to make it too crowded. I'll defer to your opinion as to whether we should add more. -Rob Hurt (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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To even consider this request there has to be a requester, no one has signed this request. There will be questions, drafts to be checked, etc so someone has to be able to provide this. It's a major request so to have this backup is very important. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Thanks for signing and contacting me. This is a major request that will be active for a longer time. I consider on taking it but first I want to make sure that you will be here and support me all the way.
You will have to make sure that the illustrations in the book (or the book) has a license that allows us to use it as a source and draw from it.
It is a 1907 publication. Q60813752 claims it to be in the public domain and it passed the permission hoops at en.wikisource. Each jpeg should also contain the appropriate permissions.
We would have to make a template of how they should look, be drawn and the infobox for each. So once we start you will have to find an illustration that has as many objects as possible in it, text, stars, lines etc. We will do that first and use it as a template. I will need your knowledge and information thru out this whole process. --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:40, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
With the best grasp I have of my future, my own personal computer is in need of some special hardware and will not be up until sometime in January. More than that, my experience with graphics is with pixels and not so much with the vectors. It is one of the reasons I came here as I have seen some beautiful work come from here throughout the years. Perhaps there is someone that would be better at creating this template than me. I would like to replace the jpegs being used in the book at wikisource with svg. I think the svg would be useful in more places also as they are simple maps of the night skies of the northern hemisphere....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Sorry for being unclear. I would do the graphic work, of course I will make the template also. I was just trying to explain how I see the process of this major request.
It seems as you put some of your answers into my previous comment, that is not a good idea as I can't see which is which easily.
Please always ping me as watch doesn't work all the time.
Regarding permission I don't understand your links. Also wikipedia and commons has not exactly the same rules regarding this. At each of the 53 files it is stated that they are in the public domain in the United States, but the rest of the world?
Goran tek-en Sorry for adding comments after the section, it is how things were done elsewhere on the commons 10+ years ago, and I am so glad not to be responsible for the template!! And it is all of the images found in the category, with the exception of the title pages and that original. So, 50 images total.
The author is from the United States and the book was published in the United States as well Q8019602. That link to wikidata is to the author. The time I had a problem with this, the author was from England and the book was published there also and the images were deleted and I assumed that the book would not be allowed and did not even try. That the images remain and the book is being hosted by wikisource, my experience is such that everything is okay with it.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian It is very different to use an image as a source and 'copy' it, make a derivative work from it. I will not risk doing a lot of work and then see it all deleted so in some way you will have to show me that we are allowed to do this.
Goran tek-en I don't really understand. This was an internet archive find, and while their rules are less than ours, they would not host them without extending the permission for them to be used. Indeed, they have several tomes which are available only for "check out", largely due to copyright issues. This is not one of them. Other scans of this book have been uploaded from libraries in Canada and California.
The commons has very rigorous licensing restrictions, as I said, another project was deleted due to the location of publication. Wikisource was/is full of old wikipedians, those who first researched and established the criterion and is in many ways, as rigorous with its restrictions as the commons. See the Berne Convention and the this for Sweden (which states that Sweden was a member of the Berne Convention since before this book was published) for your own personal protection. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian The book can be found here as well and I have tried to read about license and permission. As always it's a lot of bla bla bla, but it seems as it should be free.
I found four, perhaps you could choose the best from them? They are something like cardinal dates, with an sketch of the whole sky, I would pick spring because the lossiness of jpeg is not so much a problem and the thumbnail looks clearer here....
winter
spring (a jpeg)
summer
fall
licensing: gutenberg vs commons
(posted here at artists request)
I mentioned a book whose images I uploaded here that were deleted. I was doing the images for a gutenberg project. As gutenberg is managed by people from the United States, all of the books there qualify under the US Public Domain rules. But this book was published in the United Kingdom and the illustrator was alive well into the 1900s and as such is not in the public domain in the United Kingdom. The book was published there, but the images were deleted here. Ye Sundial Book at gutenberg and here, you can see mention of the deletion log Category:Ye Sundial Booke and here, on my talk page where my work was deleted due to the United Kingdom public domain rules (which involve the death of the illustrator who died in 1985).
Commons is far more rigorous for licensing than any other site I know, uploads are 'trolled' by software and people, as they are managing a whole world of content. Also, if you learn what old stuff can be here and why, you will learn the most. At least, that has been my experience.
spring (a jpeg)
Further, I am responsible for the jpegs in that category because I was making them for the gutenberg post-processor, image size, and the limited ROM of my e-reader; while others are responsible for the png because they were making them for here, where the guidelines are to make diagrams as png due to file type clarity (or lack of lossiness). SVG will be the best, however!-- RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian As it is always a problem between the illustration in 100% and the thumbnail I will ask you if you know how big thumbnails you will use in the articles?
An illustration can work well in 100% (eg 800 px wide) and that is really the only thing I can control but then, very often, the requester use a thumbnail of eg 150 px wide and then 'complain' that the illustration is not visible. So that is what I'm trying to avoid by asking you this, always ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I used a simple formula for determining the size displayed at wikisource, making the image as close to the printed size as possible: width/300px * 72 (all based on ppi, pixels per inch, then perhaps, tweaked further for conditions at wikisource). The larger they are, the more uses they have, but if SVG is not so good at scaling down, then not so useful. Perhaps if you could make them fit more modern screens, using width/300px * 98? So, File:April 01-40N-2100-Fieldbook of Stars-025.jpg would be (2272px/300ppi) * 98ppi = 742px wide and 814px wide? Then the SVG would be scaled to 530px wide at wikisource. You know better than me if this is reasonable both in my expectations and the scalability of the file.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Thanks for that. Svg files are different from bitmapp images as they are xml based and it's all about code. It is always sharp in any size but then of course if you show a svg file at 10%, of course it will be difficult to see. The thumbnails used in wikimedia is a png image created from the svg file in the size needed. So what I only need is the width in px of the thumbnail you think you will use. Or you can link me to a place where I can see one which you think is relevant, thanks.
The Inkscape I use works with screen resolution of 98 ppi and when you talk about bitmapps transferred (eg printed) to a physical material (eg paper, plastic...) you have to consider how many dpi (dots per inch) is needed to obtain a sharp image. --Goran tek-en (talk) 09:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Perhaps it is easier then for you to make the SVG the same size as the original jpeg or png? That would not involve math or 'good judgement' (making a thumbnail size for a request like this is probably not the best judgment). You know how to click on the thumbnail to get to the file page and then from there to find the original size? I apologize, as I am used to a certain eh, culture here (with the pixel and photograph people) where the best and the largest is always encouraged.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Now I have done parst of the Spring image and you have to check and think after what will work for you.
Draft (not complete) and the colors are chosen so they work well for most people with color vision issues.
This is an image 250 px wide to try to show you what a thumbnail in that size will look like. You have to check your thumbnail size because I want to know that it will work for redoing later on is not something I will do. If it's hard for you to try we might be forced to upload an image so you can try a real file.
Many of the names are rotated which makes them hard to read but I understand they try to mimic the sky in some way. But I think it would be better to try to keep the names horizontally.
Goran tek-en "1.png" is simply beautiful, better than I imagined! The 250px thumbnail is, however, too small for me to read the details of. The "thumbnails" in use at wikisource are more like 450px. A sincere thank you for the preview of 1.png.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Draft 1-1 as png of svg file in 100%, check everything and give feedback.
In the above draft 1-1 I have some things I need your answers to.
- Names with all CAPITAL letters, is that of groups (shapes) of stars?
- Names beginning with one Capital letter, is that names of an individual star?
There are 5 pink areas with red numbers in them, I have questions there towards file file:April 01-40N-2100-Fieldbook of Stars-025.jpg.
1. It seems lines, stars etc is missing here?
2. There is an arrow here, for what, what is it showing, should I add it?
3. What is this, should I add the cross?
4. There is a line for what, should I add it?
5. There are two lines, for what, should I add them?
Goran tek-en The capital lettered names ARE groups of stars or constellations. Many of the capitalized words are individual stars but some are nebula or star clusters, like Bee Hive. "The Sickle", however, is none of those. I think it is more like a common name of a grouping of stars to help find Leo, which it is the head of. The book is about finding objects in the night sky, so it is often more like saying "turn left at the big tree" rather than a more formal "ESE on US-131". The arrow is, for centuries before and centuries to come, the way to locate the north star using the big dipper. See s:en:A Field Book of the Stars/Leo for example and s:en:A Field Book of the Stars/Ursa Major. The cross marks the zenith, or the the point right overhead. It should be on this and other maps.
Now the pink spots.
The map does cut off there, awkwardly. That was how the book was published. The constellation being located and described in the section of the book this map represents are more in the center and physically more Overhead on that date so, it is accurate but not pretty or tidy.
How to find the North star! Yes, leave it in. It is how Europe "civilized" the rest of the world. The first lesson in celestial navigation, etc.
The cross is where directly overhead is. The zenith, a word that was borrowed from Arabic because Latin words did not exist for this or the opposite Nadir. It is a location even if nothing is visible there.
s:en:A Field Book of the Stars/Monoceros I have no idea. The line does seem arbitrary. What I would like to do is open them together in a software that uses layers and can adjust transparency to see if the line is part of the constellation shape. I am unable to make a good call on this....
s:en:A Field Book of the Stars/Triangula They are two of the three stars that gave that constellation its name. They should cross at a point, so it is more like a broken angle than two lines.
I have a question for you, about SVG. With photographs, if you want to get a good print you need 300 pixels for every printed inch. So for a good 5×7 inch photograph print you should have at least 1500×2100 pixels. How does SVG scaling work, in respect to this? I am not saying that it will be printed, but it would be a great thing that it could be printed. Especially those beautiful star maps of the visual and binocular skies! That map is very beautiful. The constellation maps -- they are useful-beautiful and will probably find life on their own as well as part of this group. I don't know what to expect from SVG scalability.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakianHere is an article about SVG. A pure svg file (like the ones I create here) is a code format as photographs are pixel based. It's a "mathematics" description of the content. Like a line starts at point x,y it has a thickness of x, a color of y, and it pulls in direction x,y with a strength of x (not exactly like that but about). This means that a pure svg file can be enlarged without any quality lost. But if you enlarge something extremely there will happens things with the relationships between the objects so it can look less "good" in a graphic view point. So it's best to be close to the actual size a drawing will be used but here at commons it's difficult to know.
Quit often the requester knows how that person intend to use a file but this is an open place so the material created here can be used in any way possible which I don't know of. So that is why we talk about the thumbnail also. This drawing and the rest we will create will be around 742*786 px and in millimeters 196*208 mm depending on the resolution of creating program which at this point is 96 ppi (pixels per inch) to match the CSS standard. So yes it can be printed enlarged and you don't have to think about pixels as with photographs.
The resolution needed for a good print of a photograph is depending on the printing device and its technique, it's not always 300 ppi needed, also the content of a photograph it self have an impact on how high resolution you need so it varies.
Goran tek-en The thumbnail has North and South instead of N. and S. but just W. for West. The orig. doesn't have an E. but maybe yours could have an East? The right and left (E. and W.) seem to be reversed, but not if you consider that overhead mark. Everything else looks good especially when compared to the original.
That it looks so good is what started me to worry about how scalable SVG really is, truly. I have dabbled with Inkscape; it was my intention to keep a gtk+-2 version around and maybe a newer one also, but I have yet to do anything useful or publishable with it. I am an elder with pixels but an infant with vectors. Thank you for the reassurances....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing up N S E W because I didn't understand the W before in the map, all the other letters were Greek but this was latin. I have added all four now and in a way so you see it's not something with the constellations.
I can assure you that ones we have a pure svg file we can create what ever files in what ever size you need. See it as a 'mother' from which you can create different versions and sizes from and all in the highest quality.
In this draft I have added two red lines that shows the center lines from the two arcs showing the 'sky'. Should the Over head cross line up with them or should I leave at it is?
If we after these last changes consider this as Done I want us to think a bit ahead. Maybe you already has thought about this (if so just tell what you want) as we will create many within the same context so they should not only be created in a similar way but the information on the files should also be similar. When I create several within a context I always try to put them out as 'Other versions' in the Information box. But as we will have so many it will be awkward to work in this way so I was thinking that we could create a new Category for them and just link to that, what do you think?
To start with this file I will need the following;
Goran tek-en I read the SVG thing. I think that pixels started life for printers and SVG for web pages -- combined with my lack of experience. Maybe I will get one printed and turn belief to experience. ;)
The red lines will disappear? The over head point should stay. "Over head" and the time are real reference points for this map. The cardinal points (NSEW) are there to orient the observers body and a more real map would have degrees of "right ascension" and "declination" and the user of the field guide would be wanting a telescope. This I know. The map you are making is for where to point eyes and binoculars (opera glasses of old).
Categories! I messed the existing cats up. Also, I was thinking about how this book is becoming a derivative of the original. You have followed recommendations for making such maps easy to read, I would like to s%/opera-glasses/binoculars/g. So, new cats for sure -- I will make sure the description for this one is good, can you upload it? so I can ask the sourcers about what to do? It will be helpful to have one here and renaming the one file is easy compared to 53. I will return with the rest! Good morning!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Yes the read lines will go, was just for my asking.
You say time (I guess time of year) is important for this map so I added it here, if it needs to be changed/removed just tell me.
Now you can find it here file:40N 21 1-April.svg and let me know when you have created category (new for the svg files) and completed the inf so we can continue, thanks.
Goran tek-en USA. Midwest, but our "midwest" is a little towards the east, EST. I was about to ping you to where I was asking for guidance. Some of the questions there are about what SVG can do, as well as problems involving other wikis and ebooks in general. I am gratful that Europeans learned English.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Not all Europeans, but many, yes it's very practical even if I have meet Americans who more or less expect every one to understand them. I have meet quit a few and I have traveled a cross USA so in general I like Americans as human beings but not the USA at all times. I can see this request will learn me a lot, I'm thankful.
Get back to me when you have the info and we can continue. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en The other problems I am addresssing are those that happen when everyone is doing the right thing. Here is most of what you need to proceed:
filenames: "Field Book of the Stars-NNN-Constellation Name.svg" where NNN is the three digit page or scan page number.
I will post a piece after this which is important for my understanding of this project and as I already have uploaded the file we will have to rename it.
I definitely want Captions on the svg files also, remember this is not just for your project it's for everyone even outside wikimedia. That is an important thing for me.
Considering what I will write below should we not have one category for the svg files 'A Fieldbook of the Stars (2021), svg', one for the bitmapp format we decide on ea 'A Fieldbook of the Stars (2021), gif' and finally for the night vision if you decide to go there ea 'A Fieldbook of the Stars (2021), night version, gif'. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Jpg, not gif. While in use on ereaders, the images need to expand nicely. GIF makes great animated ebooks, however. The right format for the right use can be handled at the software level though, starting with the SVG. If wikimedia doesn't have someone to do this, exorting to this image format or that is simple enough that I would be willing to tackle it. We should be able to produce high-quality ebooks while still serving the original SVG and all.
RaboKarbakian Now we are writing to each other before we have time to respond. Don't say no to gif, it's NOT JUST for animation. It's very well suited for illustrations like this, you can set how many colors it should include, it is small in file size and it's not a destroying format. It can enlarged as any bitmapp format, no difference to a jpg. I think you are to fixed on the device being an ereader, how do you know they will not use a smartphone, tablet, portable pc or what ever screen that we will have in coming years. Don't lock your thinking to one piece of hardware, it's limiting. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I changed the file name again. fieldbook isn't a word. Its true, my first hacker friends had a problem with Unisys offending their definition of freedom. They are very lightweight, I will look into stretching one of the animated ones I have here to see if what you claim is true. I have much work to do and I haven't looked at the descriptions yet....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian, Inductiveload As we are writing in two places I ping both of you so you will see this.
We are talking about so different things now that I have to get a few things clear to me as a lot was not known to me when I took this request.
1. To my understanding this request was about converting the jpg images to svg so they would be better and easier to view online or printed on paper, that was my approach to this.
At that time I didn't understand that your project was to include them/create a book on wikisource. So if that is your main focus we have to decide on how to create the illustrations and for what purpose.
1-2. To my understanding the best approach would be to create svg files in the manner (good looking, color blind safe, any size printable) that we have done for file:40N_21_1-April.svg.
1-3. Meanwhile we (you maybe mostly) have to read and check exactly which file formats that are accepted at wikisource. When I read there they say images should be uploaded to commons and the formats they accept. As both commons and wikisource is a part of wikimedia and driven by the same engine all formats that work on commons should work on wikisource, that is my baseline approach to this.
At the upload page of wikisource, not commons, there is a list of accepted file formats: Permitted file types: tiff, tif, png, gif, jpg, jpeg, webp, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, oga, flac, opus, wav, webm, mp3, midi, mpg, mpeg. At this page the first paragraph before '1 Linking' it talks a bit about image formats.
1-4. What I don't know is how you create a 'new' book from the scans and what file formats that works there, that's a difference from uploading as it seems. Please inform me!
1-5. From the svg files (mothers) any needed format can be created.
You have discussed a lot about jpg or png but there is another image format, gif which I think could be very useful if a bitmapp format is needed for those kind of illustrations.
2. Lately I have understood that you also intend to create another version of this book to be used directly when people are out looking at stars using binoculars or night vision devices which means completely different requirements on the files and the book.
2-1. You can never know what type of devices they will use to view the book so the book has to work on most tablets an e-books readers etc by itself not depending on different features and apps.
2-2. To my understanding this means that the illustrations has to be adapted to that environment and not rely to any functions a device might or might not have for not disturbing a persons night vision. We can use the mothers to create those night versions. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en About 2, any completed text at source which has the table of contents in the right place can be exported into a format that is suitable for Kindle or ebook phone apps or ebook plugins on browsers and have the ability to bookmark and save notes and such. As well as being available online for straight up use in the browser.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Have we now settled on everything around the creation of the rest of the illustrations as svg files.
On File:Gemini-Fieldbook of Stars-031.png I have placed a template with the suggested name. Will that work? Under different circumstances, I could (maybe) enlarge it to upload also....
"Information" meaning description? I started on that via the description parameter in the Information template. I have questions. File:Gemini-Fieldbook of Stars-031.png has all the text from the book regarding the image. Is that too much? If it is okay, what about formatting that text? And will it be sufficient to put the description there on the information template?
I think that the "need for my approval" is a kindness you are granting me, and I will accept it! This SVG conversion is much bigger workwise than the transcribing of the original book.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
4. Template is fine. I don't understand what you mean by 'Under different circumstances, I could (maybe) enlarge it to upload also....'?
5. Yeas I mean Description. It's up to you and your knowledge what you want to put there. The more detailed it is the more information it can provide, but maybe you also could put a simplified short version there, with some formatting separation. This is the place to put information regarding the image, only there. The only reason for formatting the text if it will be more legible by it if you ask me.
6. No it's no kindness it's essential for me that you check my graphic work so the content is correct, I have zero knowledge in this topic. Without your approvals I will not do this.
I just want to show you this negative image so you know that this is easily done. If something like this can work for the night illustrations it's easy to perform, if you want 100% black in the back that's fine also, this is 61% black.
It seems you have knowledge to create Templates here at commons and I have been thinking of creating one to show that an illustration, map is 'colorsafe', working for people with color vision deficiency. Maybe you could point me in a direction to make this happen. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I will try to work backwards through the new concerns. I will make any template you want, the one you describe should have a graphic and a category also I think. Maybe we could move further discussion of this too my talk page?
3. Same width is good. Different heights is fine.
2. The numbers are the magnitude or brightness, 1 being the brightest. The Greek letters are part of the group. So, a number can be repeated in a constellation but a greek letter shouldn't be.
1. Different sizes of stars. Yes. Probably it is a magnituude thing, just not as finely tuned.
I am always stunned by your images. I really need to look at them a few times before I can even begin to see anything wrong. The reversed colors is such an image.
About the name template. I suspect it would be possible to have a link to upload the svg from the bitmap image, with a preloaded Information template. My current IDE (interface development environment, I think, as I am using the acro. with some snark) is a 7×4 Fire tablet combined with a half an hour a day at the library on a foreign to me OS. Getting my computer going -- it didn't boot but gave me a commandline. I have been patiently waiting for an explanation for about a year now. I cannot fathom an intrusion like this....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian For my sake we don't have to fix anything advanced regarding upload and Information template. I use mine own template that I have in a text editor, that works fine for me.
Of course I will wait with the color Template until this is done and then on your talk page.
I'm sorry but often information creates new questions, tell me if I'm asking to much, but I need to know to be able to create good illustrations.
In 1-April_01-40N-2100-Fieldbook_of_Stars-025 I can also see size differences but there are no numbers, some differences are hard to see. Shall I try to follow the different sizes?
In 1-April_01-40N-2100-Fieldbook_of_Stars-025 we have Stars and we have Stars of the first magnitude, would they then be 1?
But then in Andromeda-Fieldbook_of_Stars-095 we have Stars of the first magnitude in different sizes and with different numbers, not 1 at all. It really confuses me I don't understand there logic in this.
Would then the Stars in 1-April_01-40N-2100-Fieldbook_of_Stars-025 be 4?
Goran tek-en First of all Alpheratz, Mirach, and Almach have a small green circle and they should have a large orange circle in the Andromeda graphic. The stars on the image but not a part of the constellation are open circles.
I am quite sure that the season maps have a lesser degree of detail than the individual constellation maps. 1s and 2s are large/orange, 3s and 4s are small/green?
On the seasons maps, 1st mag stars are large and the rest are small. The north star (which is small) has extra highlighting because it has some importance. The book suggested to look at the skies just after sundown so that only the bright ones could be seen.
If the amount of concern you have is not affecting your health or ability to sleep, it is fine then. Meticulous is the word, perhaps. Also, these books are not without fault. I found one book where they had grabbed images from perhaps another book and the one had a "Fig. N" or something upside down and unrelated, for example.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Yeas I'm a detail person, always has and always will be.
Will do so on the season maps, sounds good.
For the constellation maps, as I understand you the stars out of constellation is not the same type as 'Stars of first magnitude' on the seasons maps. That is what I have added in the draft below. Draft 095-2.png, what is the full name of the nebula? --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en "Great Nebula". (I had to look it up, it is new to me,) The different colors are nice. I started to work "catagorically" filling in the detail you requested for the images. I had been going "by the book"....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I think that the μ is a u on the graphic. The "present" font looks fine in the "Draft of new fonts". The ν is my problem, probably, there is not that much difference between ν and v. Figure out where the tail went on μ and after another check, I think and the graphic is done.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian Maybe the problem is where I got those Greek letters from. I used this table to pick them and for the μ I picked corresponding to m in the second column. For ν I picked corresponding to n. If this is not correct you have to tell me where to find the correct ones. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-enhttps://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/charref is what I used. That exact web page used to be at dev.mozilla.org. W3c documents might not be "free" by Ubuntu standards, but I don't think that is one of the "unfree" ones that can be installed, other than by saving, like I did. Gucharmap is great, really great even. Gnome had something like that too but, it was a pain to use. gnome characters or something like. I miss gucharmap when I look at that weblink....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian I'm not that familiar with the Greek characters so I can only go by what I see. On that html5 page there are so many characters I get really confused. I checked and the character map I have on my computer is Gucharmap but also there picking Greek there are so many characters.
The character at the bottom of left column and the eighth from top in right column are to me very similar. Which is which and which am I supposed to use? --Goran tek-en (talk) 11:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en υ is "upsilon" in the right column ν is "nu" in the left column. en:Greek alphabet. Mathematicians and and phycists (astronomers) use greek characters for the visual differences, hence any Romanization is a departure from purpose. The Greek alphabet is confusing! Foreign and they have variations of characters! The use in astronomy, at least in the scope of this book is probaby the simple lowercase set. In the graphic, that one character needs to be μ you can pick it from this page.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
You don't have to provide me with your sources, it confuses me, I just need your knowledge as what to edit as specific as possible, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en No. There should not be an υ on the image. From "Gt. Nebula" in a not very straight line down is first ν and then μ. They are the two stars closest to the nebula.
RaboKarbakian To my understanding the "Description" is the description provided to explain that particular media and is always easy to access when a media is linked to within wikimedia, here the description part within the information template is described. There are so many different infobox templates it is hard to know exactly which to use. Captions is a part of the very big and coming structured data. Here are two different places first place and second place to read about that. For me an important part of caption is that the information there is search able from OUTSIDE of wikimedia, in any web browser searching internet. The description information is just available within wikimedia. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian I think and it seems as you have much more understanding and knowledge about this structured data than what I have but I don't really understand what you mean by I am perhaps more familiar with the limitations of the information template than anything, is it bad experience or what?
When I look at the link from {{On Wikidata}} I have some thoughts. The svg version is not the scanned bitmap "original version", it's a derivative work of that. So to me it is wrong to state on Q105071970 that is a "part of", "author", "publication date", "published in" etc. That is what the "original" scan is, not the derivative work. This is my understanding, I don't know if it's correct. So I'm not sure it should be there in exactly that way.
In Description you have put Image from the book A Field Book of the Stars:Aquarius but that is not thru either. The Source is that, but not the svg image, and that is already stated in the Source section.
I looked at the book on wikisource now and it seems as you are able to use the svg files there directly, great. But my thinking as per above, when using the new svg illustrations it is not really the original A Field Book of the Stars anymore is it? Is it not all a derivative work now, the whole book? To me it is, but I have no experience on books in this manner. --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Every version is a derivative version of the "literary work" Q55346553. The first publication was in 1907, yet the scan we use is from 1911. The questions that I asked the sourcers about your version of the maps were essentially the same questions you asked here. Wikidata warns when a scan is used twice, but what happens when gutenberg documents the scan it uses and source/librivox/gutenberg all use the same scan? All of your concerns are answered by making two (it could have been 3 if gutenberg had used "id" for hrefs) records for each chapter. A chapter record and a version of the chapter record. 51 image records (planetary diagrams into 1) turn into 102 records. This is silly and useless for most books, as the chapters are not useful information without the whole. Parts like this book are, though.
Mostly, you are correct. The records for your images will change to versions of new chapter records which will show the (also versioned) scan. The images are just representative after all. I have worked on publications whose first was in a journal and whose subsequent versions were missing chapters. I think that the scan of a physical book (with a known location, etc.) is different from the book. It can be scanned again with a different scanner.
My question was about altering your "version" of the information template. Which I played with some, trying to get wikidata to work like the attribution example shown in the template documentation. {{Book}} can be almost completely managed from wikidata. See File:Field Book of Stars.djvu.
It is a challenge for me at wd not to put the best first. Putting the ws link with the scan that was used is the norm. With that norm and that you also used the scan puts everything into an existing murk. Self definition (red is red) is always where our (humans) logic breaks down. This is known.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian As I said, I don't know anything about books, I had never heard about the librivox/gutenberg projects until now, you learn every day.
My concerns was about the svg version you and I create together. They are stand alone illustrations, interpretations of the scans from the book but they don't belong to that original book. Therefore I think it's wrong to put out Image from the book A Field Book of the Stars:Aquarius and
Goran tek-en you agreed that the images were in a proper copyright status only because they were on gutenberg. That a version of this book exists there is something you told me. I was speaking generically about the challenges of putting different versions of anything into wikidata, to answer your questions. Being associated with the ws project gets a wikidata qnumber. It should also assist with the attribution you require. I'm gonna tidy up wd and maybe you can figure out how to work it into the information template better.
RaboKarbakian Now I have to step back because I'm not really sure what we are talking about any more. Here is my bottom line of this.
The copyright of those svg files are CC BY-SA 4.0 because that is the license I work with here on commons. I can only set a license to that file, I will never and can never know how they will be used. (SA means Share-alike, and to give you credit when appropriate. Meaning, I think, that the artists name is mentioned when using the image.)
They are derivative work of the scans that I use as source. (I am changing wd.)
I have zero knowledge of creating books on wikisource or any place outside or inside of wikimedia. The potential creating of books anywhere where those svg files are used/added has nothing to do with which copyright license they have here on commons. (Commons is an image and other media server to the wikipedias, and other wikimedia projects. It was an interesting w-source project that brought me here. The link to the book was provided at the initial request.)
The svg files here are stand alone media and in the Source part of Information I state which file that has been used as source added with knowledge and information from you.
The Description field is to describe this svg file nothing else. (On the Information template?)
At the bottom of a file's page here on commons you can see all the usage of that particular file, it doesn't have to be put out manually.
The above is my experience here at commons, forget everything else we have discussed as I probably have misunderstood some of your writing. I'm not a native English speaking so I might misunderstand some parts. Please check this and I hope you can oversea my shortcomings. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I have responded after each point to those points. It is difficult here with the device I am using, please forgive this. You are a great svg artist. You don't need my forgiveness if I can just add things to your personalized information templates. I am competent at every aspect of this project except SVG making. We are trail-blazing at wikisource -- they have no reluctance in telling me right from not as right. More SVG please?!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en The draft for Aquila looks good. It seems that the book was inconsistant with its star sizes and while you have been.
It is weird how that template centers itself rather than fitting in.
The Argo image is interesting. The "M" objects are from a catalog made by a French guy who was looking for comets. He kept finding nebula and star clusters thinking them to be comets. So the catalog was made of frustration, being a list of "been there, done that, not a comet" objects. The catalog turns out to be mostly a great thing, especially among amateaur/backyard astronomers; there is a night when all the whole catalog can be seen and they range from 'interesting' to 'extraordinarilly beautiful'. It also contains errors, that have been fixed. That is the background for the area you asked about which is one of Messiers problems. We are going to fix it. The 388 should be M47. You change it for the SVG and I will make the appropriate change in the text.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en The Argo Navis SVG looks good. Musca was new to me also. I looked on Wikipedia to be sure before questioning the food choices or other deprivations of really old Greeks (Ptolemy), but it was of no use. Personally, I thought the word looked like some latin varient of Mus (for mouse) and was somewhat disappointed in either Fly or Bee (Apis, being another word for it). The graphic needs more work though....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian That was my intention with the question regarding Musca. Should I draw it as dashed lines like "out of constellations" or in a new specific way even though we don't know what it means? --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en The original has the stars in a different shape than the SVG. There are three more in a row with the left most being brighter (should be orange -- a 2). The SVG I am viewing also has a dark background, so it is difficult to distinguish words and lines and other marks. The lines should be as they are in the original, though it is weird, off to the side and such. I hope this is more helpful.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en I haven't been reviewing the lines before today. Sorry, I will re-look at all of them today. In the draft, the constellation in the center is Aries. All of those stars and lines should be out of constellation. Musca is to the left and the stars are not oriented correctly and one of those is a 2. That is the constellation for this image, even though it is not in the center.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Wow! What a difference the machine I am viewing on makes! I was comparing it to: File:Musca-Fieldbook of Stars-111.png and on this real computer, it has a light background and I can see mistakes that I made "interpreting" the image on the tablet. Now that I see what you are talking about with the lines for Musca, and probably just the usual "not in the main constellation" lines should be good enough. I don't know the reason the background is so dark on the tablet--just the legend has a light background there. I thought that I was being patient, and really it was you being patient with me. So, just the usual lines?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
RaboKarbakian That is why I put out the numbers when I write "Draft 107-2", if that doesn't make sense to you tell me what to write. If we should use special lines or not for Musca like in this latest draft is up to your and your knowledge. You tell me what you want. Also the rest of the draft,OK?
It would help me if you could be very direct regarding comments an when a draft is Ok or not. No extra information just what I need, change line...., draft is correct, star.. should be a 1 etc. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Draft 033, Auriga, the only 'out of constellation' stars is Gemeni, filling the left side only. The kids, telescope and the other four in the lower right are all in constellation stars.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Draft 081-1, your lines look good as does the whole graphic. Don't introduce a new line.
Draft 035-1 "Prasepe The Bee Hive" describes the same thing. I am sure that "Prasepe" is a mis-spelling, so spell it either "Praesepe" or "Præsepe" (the second is how the book spells it). The graphic also looks really good.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Slowly we are getting there. You spend a lot of time here it seems. This is one of my hobbies or sometimes an advanced hobby as others in my life. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: Hello, we meet again! I was waiting for someone do perform my request and saw you commented, and decided to lend a hand by telling what Greek letters I believe I recognised. Here it is. The Greek letters are "ε", "Ο", and "γ". @RaboKarbakian: could you confirm if I guessed right? Veverve (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en Draft 105-1 a1 and a2 should both be α (not a).
Draft 091-1 Alderamin should be α, Er Rai should be γ, Deneb in Cygnus should be α.
Draft 089-1 1572 is the year that a star appeared and disappeared in the area of that square. It is a new thing. The 4 mag star near to Schedar is η, the 3 mag star below that is γ, the 4 mag star below Ruchbah is ε. The 3 mag star at the top (out of cons.) is ε. I think that is all. I haven't the time to review the other reviewers suggestions.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:29, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Draft 089-2, this γ is how that character has been looking in this font for the others also. For the square there is two options, pick one. Should there be any text with it in the legend? From source file:Cassiopeia-Fieldbook of Stars-089.png.
Draft 109-1 The four smaller stars to the left that seem to belong to Eridanus (out of constellation) are actually in this constellation. The lower of the two 4s should be σ.
Draft 073-1, Benetnasch in the upper right should be yellow. Ras Alhague, of Ophiuchus, in the lower left, should be yellow. Everything else looks so nice.
Draft 073-2 Arcturis in Bootes should be yellow (bright, out). Gemma in Corona Borealis should be orange (bright, in). Sorry I missed those in first draft.
Draft 045-1 I will have to review on a different device/computer. It has a dark background on this one.
Draft 047-1 Looks good.
Draft 059-1 Cygnus, the star below the "New Star" that is δ should be σ. Below that ζ should be 7. I think the "New Star" should be a green circle because it is still there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
My thinking of having a square was that it should be similar to Area of interest that also had a year on it, new stuff. If you really want I can change to round,Draft 059-2 from source file:Cygnus-Fieldbook of Stars-059.png.
Draft 059-2 (Cygnus) the new star is interesting (I have been researching it) but the difference is that this star exists and can be seen. The other new star disappeared so the sky denoted by the special mark is empty. The scope of these images is viewing the sky. "New Star" is good to show that it is special. Green circle tells what to look for.
RaboKarbakian I have used this category to know which files I have done. Now I can see differences from that category compared with the print screen of that category I use from the start of this request. Do you know if anything has been added? --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Monoceros is new in the category since we started this. I was going to mention it only if you missed it. I know only parts of the files history and can tell those to you if you desire it.
Draft 131-1 contains that Messier error that we fixed in an earlier image. 388 to 47M.
In Draft 121-1 In the upper right corner, the smeared text should be Aldebaran. Which you also asked about
Draft 093-1 looks great.
Draft 067-1 has a temporary star. It is 1604, but in the SVG it looks like 1964. It should have the yellow/gray square. It is left and below Sabik.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Draft 065-1 Looks good. I like the new mark. Also, thanks for working through the 1604 stuff.
Draft 099-1 Maybe in the legend, the new symbol and "Spring Equinox". It might also be in Virgo, but it wasn't in Gemeni.... I think we've seen it before, just unmarked.
Draft 027-1 Xtha == Talitha. Xx == ω, the image has the symbol for Saturn (shrugs). At the right "Cor Caroli in Canes Venatici" is missing. Other than that it looks good.
Draft 029-1 has a dark background. I can't read it.
RaboKarbakian I agree, thanks for good cooperation. If you ever think I can do something for you, just ping me. I will contact you regarding my template.
If you are happy with this please put the code {{section resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks. Done --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
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Please can the UK be removed from the EEA map as it will leave the agreement when the Brexit transition period ends at 23:00 GMT on 31 December 2020.--MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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@MOTORAL1987: removed uk (map: id="gGBR", insert: class="landxx coastxx gb")
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Would somebody please 1) clean up the current png, making the background white and removing the text? Please upload over the existing file. Then, would you please 2) create an svg version of the signature? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Sushant savla! One small nit: could you please remove the bump on the top right of the "B" in "Brady"? I believe that is part of the text (specifically, the bottom arm of the "E" in "ARE"), not signature. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:24, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Please scale these more appropriately (can SVG do that internally?) with respect to other traffic signs images in the relevant Commons Category and those used in the linked article. Asking here as it's simple task that an experienced user can do rapidly...
@ShakespeareFan00, can you be more specific about what’s wrong with the size or proportions? Is it just the nominal pixel dimensions? Yes, with SVGs scaling is usually very easy—it says so right on the tin! But one needs to know what one’s trying to achieve.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
It is indeed the nominal pixel dimensions, I had drawn these at actual size, whereas the ones from the Traffic Signs Database are based on how they were sized for print reproduction, which are considerably smaller. I was wanting someone to scale these to be more suited to display on screen and print compared to the existing traffic sign images Commons holds.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Done@ShakespeareFan00: The files specified large, fixed, sizes in millimeters via the width and height attributes. I removed those attributes from all the files, so SVG defaults the size to 100% of the container. I do not think any other changes are needed. Glrx (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Lutetium phthalocyanine
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Convert Almohad banner to SVG. I know this isn't an easy one, if it's any consolation, they didn't imagine you would be working on this back in 1212 AD. —When choosing a filename, please note this is the banner not the flag. --Flaspec (talk) 22:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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Flaspec The source you have provided is not good enough, it's impossible to create anything with quality from that. Would also need someone who can read and write the language (some version of Arabic) written on it and generally you would have to help with feedback and check on drafts. Fix those things and then you can ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
@Flaspec: The pattern is complex as hell, and we need surely a picture with an higher definition to create a vector version of it. I think I found an high-quality picture of the cetral part ([27]) is it the same flag? Or, you could buy the picture ([28]) and send it to us to trace it. Sette-quattro (talk) 13:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Flaspec The source from twitter that Veverve provided looks good and to me it seems as it is the right version. Several of the others are something else. However then we have the question about copyright. The twitter account comes from museum of Burgos what I can see. So before I would consider taking this huge task I would need you to get a written permission according to OTRS. Before you can provide that I will not put in the amount of work needed for this. There is an email adress to the right on that link. So ping me when you have the permission, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: @Flaspec: I will not be necessary. From what I got from here and here, and especially here, the image shared by the museum is a scan of a 19th-century engraving from the book series Historia general de España desde los tiempos primitivos hasta la muerte de Fernando VII by Modesto Lafuente. With a few hours of research and a bit of luck I found this engraving is in Part 2, Book 1, chapter 12 ("ALFONSO VIII Y ENRIQUE I EN CASTILLA - De 1212 á 1217"). The volume on which this part is will depend on the edition. You can find a good quality scanned version with the engraving here (from here) at PDF page 34. You can also find it here (worse quality). Veverve (talk) 20:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you @Veverve: for all your work and knowledge on this, and you saying it is from an engraving explains why it looks different in colors and lines. But I have two questions.
Is this engraving the same as in all detail as you know?
I don't speak Spanish but when I translate that page it says everything is under copyright. So then we are back to the same situation or what do you say?
I have seen many versions of this flag online, I guess there is numerous reproductions since it is a famous flag. Looking at google image with "Banner of Las Navas" in Spanish gives numerous similar yet very different flag. I do not know if the engraving is the same as .
Thanks again Veverve, it is so difficult with copyright on stuff like this, I don't have deep enough knowledge but when I check your sources I agree with you, so thanks. Will now try to get in contact Flaspec to be able to work on this. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Flaspec Great. QuestionThe emblem you first showed is some kind of textil I guess, so it's not 90° in the corners, no straight lines etc. What I will create is an illustration of this emblem so I will work with 90° corners, straight lines etc. Is this fine with you? --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: This is medieval script of Arabic (equivalent to Blackletter in Latin, for instance) so the first option is the best in order to preserve authenticity of the emblem (modern font wouldn't do). I noticed that existing flags/emblems belonging to the same era (like the emblem of the Emirate of Granada) also opt for the first option you mentioned. --Flaspec (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Goran tek-en There is a flag that appeared in the old literature, and I think it's related to that flag. Flaspec I don't know if this flag is well historical research. Could you please review it?--고려 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Info The source provided by 고려 calls this a «Pendón» which translates to Banner in English (not emblem). So I changed the title of this section to reflect the correct naming (Convert Almohad emblem to SVG → Convert Almohad banner to SVG). --Flaspec (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Flaspec It's hard to say that the 1921 photo shoot also has poor image quality. I think it is possible to refer to the pattern. also As you can see by pressing the details, isn't the central description more accurate?--고려 (talk) 16:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Flaspec Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.
Goran tek-en Is there any problem with the data I found? There are more accurate pictures of the time than the picture, and I put in some materials that help with the exact design. (Unfortunately, the current data is outdated, but you can check the past pictures.) And wouldn't it be okay to erase the shadow?--고려 (talk) 01:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
고려 I thank you for your knowledge and interest here but this is an request by Flaspec so I have to follow his thoughts about this as I have no knowledge by my self, I do graphic work. If you think some other sources has "better" information you have to discuss that with Flaspec. To me the source we used has enough quality for me to work from. If it is correct or not is not for me to say and I have to look at something. If you don't agree on this you can always ask for another version here at graphic lab based on your sources. I do hope you understand my position here.
Right margin is blank (incorrect in thumbnail only) [34]
As for the star, the pattern knots on the right side are horizontally/vertically opposed to the left side [35]. Thank you. --Flaspec (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for finding the issue with the star. When I check there is more which I have missed when mirroring the sides. I will correct but maybe it will take a little bit of time, will be back. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 11:07, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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Done User:2A02:C7F:5622:2000:F00C:C3C8:5BB1:C267 please confirm this is what is required. Ian Furst (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Czech logo of TV series Sex Education
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Presidential Standard of Jomo Kenyatta (convert to SVG)
Presidential Standard of Jomo Kenyatta (SVG)
Presidential Standard of Uhuru Kenyatta (convert to SVG)
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Kedah Crown Prince's signature
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a rough sketch of my idea
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Alternative version
Seal of the Federal Acquisition Institute.
i3wm logo
arms as seen on d:Q96631042 before removal
arms as seen on d:Q96639516 and maybe also d:Q96639416
Logo of Defense Finance Accounting Services in PNG
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Northern Rhodesia cap badge
Unit cell of body-centered cubic crystal lattice
Unit cell of face-centered cubic crystal lattice
Many cells of face-centered cubic crystal lattice
Face-centered space-filling model of a crystal lattice
Unit cell of body-centered cubic crystal lattice
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Wordmark
Wordmark
Poster
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Emblem of the Communist Party of Spain in the 1930s.
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WE Day logo
Me to WE logo
WE logo
European Union Exclusive Economic Zone (Prior to Brexit)
Redraw in SVG
New Delhi to Ranchi via Kanpur, Deen Dayal Upadhyay Jn. railway route
Favicon of Wikidata Query Service https://wcqs-beta.wmflabs.org/
logo used for Structured data on Commons
unused alternative SDC logo
Proposed by MaxxL
Proposed by MaxxL
. There is a phabricator ticket phabricator:T258835 to use different favicon for WCQS, but we do not have any good candidates. The idea would be to use logo used for Structured data on Commons: 
(or alternative logo 
) and a magnifying glass 
to create a new logo. New SVG logo should resemble WDQS logo and should work at small sizes. --Jarekt (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Flag of Sabah
The leaf extracted from the Canadian flag
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PNG
SVG
This screenshot demonstrates the use of a convolutional neural network node to execute a machine learning task with PolyAnalyst.
Sabah federal constituencies
New seats
Sutton Hoo helmet design 2-reconstructed-known
Sutton Hoo helmet design 2-known
Sutton Hoo helmet design 2-reconstructed
Sutton Hoo helmet design 2-full
Das angelegte Muster auf dem Felsen (unten) wird nicht angezeigt.
Anvil
Arrow template
Crown
(1) Correct original flag
(2) Unoriginal design
(3) redarwn version, based on (1)
DPR-RI (1st photo)
DPD-RI (2nd photo)
MPR-RI (3rd photo)
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Seat plan
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A Map of the world showing rape per 100,000 population.
Vector version
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laurels redrawn.
Royal Moroccan Armed Forces
Air force
Naval force
Ground force
Gendarmerie
SVG
GIF
Asthall barrow bowl/cauldron fragment
Asthall barrow hinge-loop
Asthall barrow strap end
Asthall barrow strap attachment
Asthall barrow suspension fitting
Asthall barrow pear-shaped mount
Asthall barrow strap mount
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Stellantis logotype
svg logo
Current logo of Magnum PI (2018–2020)
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Kotatsu diagram
The file (SVG)
New version without text
Example from other Malaysian state, Johor
Sabah map with lines
Sutton Hoo helmet winged dragon motif
The army's emblem
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SVG flag
JPG flag, with all elements present
Logo of Ministry of Education and Culture of Republic of Indonesia
Sports record icon for World U20 Record
Sports record icon for Diamond League Record (in Diamond color) - Version 1
Sports record icon for Diamond League Record (in Diamond color) - Version 2
in this category https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sport_records_icons --194.8.192.162 09:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
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, South America
, Asia
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First frame of the animation
Fourth frame
Example of a simple animation with only a few frames
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uk as territory with individual agreement
Will P. Brady signature
Will P. Brady signature
UK Traffic Sign 511 (1981)
UK Traffic Sign 534.1 (1981)
UK Traffic Sign 519.1 (1981)
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The only currently available file representing this compound
Perspective version
Top-down view in staggered configuration, skeletal formula
Flag, just for reference
Banner, to be converted
SVG version, by Goran tek-en.svg)
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